1901 statistical anomaly

Kelric · 07-21-2006, 07:02 PM

In 1901 my homerun leaders were hitting 30-40 homers, but in 1902 and 1903 it dropped down to historical 1902 numbers for the most part, which is what I want. How do I get the numbers I want right off the bat?

Garlon · 07-21-2006, 07:45 PM

First season results are always tricky to get right. The auto-adjust historical modifiers function kicks in after the first season is simulated. Copy down the league totals modifier for HRs in the Strategies and Equivalencies screen (not the player-creation modifiers) the game generated in 1902 or 1903. Re-start your league in 1901 and plug in that modifier. Your 1901 HRs should look much better.

Kelric · 07-21-2006, 11:56 PM

Easy enough to try. Thanks.

Kelric · 07-25-2006, 05:21 PM

I'm still getting this weirdness. Started a new test league in 1870, over a 162 game season. 1870 had a lot of homers, but I realized that's because it doesn't kick in right away as you said. Thought I had it fixed for 1871 and beyond and told OOTP to use historical modifiers and player creations modifiers. This is what I got....

1870: AL - 475 homers, NL - 643
1871: AL - 21 homers, NL - 27
1872: AL - 789 homers, NL - 788
1873: AL - 20 homers, NL - 15
1874: AL - 754, NL - 713

The strange thing is that runs per game are really low. The leagues average a combined 2.7 rpg in 1874. That's a lot of solo homers. In fact, they both average MORE runs in 1873. Strikeouts and walks also move around big time season to season. The game can't decide what it wants to do.

Kelric · 07-25-2006, 05:51 PM

Even more pronounced in another major league - 9551 (NINE THOUSAND!) homers hit in 1872, 4 hit the next year. The league ERA went from 10.40 to 1.94...

Holy crap.

Tycobbler · 07-25-2006, 05:56 PM

I always start my league starting in a specific year, ie. 1901 and check the box that says use this years stats or whatever, and the league then actually starts in 1902 and sets everything up for me just fine. Also choosing remainging years of career for stats btw. Anyhoo no probs here starting off like that.

Kelric · 07-25-2006, 07:04 PM

I always choose remaining years, especially since I started back in 1871...

I just don't understand the ridiculously large and consistent fluctuations. It makes no sense to me how I get a proper deadball-like league every other year and the ones in between are home run hitting contests.

Nukester · 07-25-2006, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tycobbler

I always start my league starting in a specific year, ie. 1901 and check the box that says use this years stats or whatever, and the league then actually starts in 1902 and sets everything up for me just fine. Also choosing remainging years of career for stats btw. Anyhoo no probs here starting off like that.

Wow, good catch. I usually start my leagues in 1903 and try to adjust the modifiers prior to the first season. I just did a quick and dirty import of 1903 and checked off the "use this years stats" or whatever it says, and the game started off in January of 1904. I then simmed the season, and the stats came out looking very good. That could be a very helpful toggle.

Garlon · 07-25-2006, 09:02 PM

Kelric - How did you set up this 1870's league? Is it fictional? The PCM's only go back to 1871, so if you started in 1870 you have modern created players trying to produce 1870's type stats, which would cause a problem. If you wanted to start a historical league in 1871 you need to delete all the fictional players before moving to 1871.

If you want to start an 1871 historical league I have a QS available in my signature, and some other people also made 1871 QS's that you can find at ootpmodsquad.com My 1871 QS file needs to be updated because there are about 8 pitchers in the file with faulty ratings due to a statistical anomaly that we later fixed with the DB.

07-21-2006, 07:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,055	1901 statistical anomaly In 1901 my homerun leaders were hitting 30-40 homers, but in 1902 and 1903 it dropped down to historical 1902 numbers for the most part, which is what I want. How do I get the numbers I want right off the bat? __________________ Death to the Draft & Release issue! Co-Commish of the Overlords Baseball League (1930-39). Owner of the Boston Red Sox, 939-601, .609% (1930-39). 1930-34, '36-39, American League Eastern Division Champions (9/10). 1936, 1937, 1939 American League Champions (3/9). 1936, 1937 World Series victors (2/3). 125-96, .565% vs. the New York Yankees.

07-21-2006, 07:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
Garlon All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,111	First season results are always tricky to get right. The auto-adjust historical modifiers function kicks in after the first season is simulated. Copy down the league totals modifier for HRs in the Strategies and Equivalencies screen (not the player-creation modifiers) the game generated in 1902 or 1903. Re-start your league in 1901 and plug in that modifier. Your 1901 HRs should look much better. __________________ Arod23Garlon2006DB available HERE 1871 Quickstart file available HERE

07-21-2006, 11:56 PM	#3 (permalink)
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,055	Easy enough to try. Thanks. __________________ Death to the Draft & Release issue! Co-Commish of the Overlords Baseball League (1930-39). Owner of the Boston Red Sox, 939-601, .609% (1930-39). 1930-34, '36-39, American League Eastern Division Champions (9/10). 1936, 1937, 1939 American League Champions (3/9). 1936, 1937 World Series victors (2/3). 125-96, .565% vs. the New York Yankees.

07-25-2006, 05:21 PM	#4 (permalink)
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,055	I'm still getting this weirdness. Started a new test league in 1870, over a 162 game season. 1870 had a lot of homers, but I realized that's because it doesn't kick in right away as you said. Thought I had it fixed for 1871 and beyond and told OOTP to use historical modifiers and player creations modifiers. This is what I got.... 1870: AL - 475 homers, NL - 643 1871: AL - 21 homers, NL - 27 1872: AL - 789 homers, NL - 788 1873: AL - 20 homers, NL - 15 1874: AL - 754, NL - 713 The strange thing is that runs per game are really low. The leagues average a combined 2.7 rpg in 1874. That's a lot of solo homers. In fact, they both average MORE runs in 1873. Strikeouts and walks also move around big time season to season. The game can't decide what it wants to do. __________________ Death to the Draft & Release issue! Co-Commish of the Overlords Baseball League (1930-39). Owner of the Boston Red Sox, 939-601, .609% (1930-39). 1930-34, '36-39, American League Eastern Division Champions (9/10). 1936, 1937, 1939 American League Champions (3/9). 1936, 1937 World Series victors (2/3). 125-96, .565% vs. the New York Yankees.

07-25-2006, 05:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,055	Even more pronounced in another major league - 9551 (NINE THOUSAND!) homers hit in 1872, 4 hit the next year. The league ERA went from 10.40 to 1.94... Holy crap. __________________ Death to the Draft & Release issue! Co-Commish of the Overlords Baseball League (1930-39). Owner of the Boston Red Sox, 939-601, .609% (1930-39). 1930-34, '36-39, American League Eastern Division Champions (9/10). 1936, 1937, 1939 American League Champions (3/9). 1936, 1937 World Series victors (2/3). 125-96, .565% vs. the New York Yankees.

07-25-2006, 05:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
Tycobbler All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 20 minutes from Comerica Park Posts: 1,409	I always start my league starting in a specific year, ie. 1901 and check the box that says use this years stats or whatever, and the league then actually starts in 1902 and sets everything up for me just fine. Also choosing remainging years of career for stats btw. Anyhoo no probs here starting off like that.

07-25-2006, 07:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,055	I always choose remaining years, especially since I started back in 1871... I just don't understand the ridiculously large and consistent fluctuations. It makes no sense to me how I get a proper deadball-like league every other year and the ones in between are home run hitting contests. __________________ Death to the Draft & Release issue! Co-Commish of the Overlords Baseball League (1930-39). Owner of the Boston Red Sox, 939-601, .609% (1930-39). 1930-34, '36-39, American League Eastern Division Champions (9/10). 1936, 1937, 1939 American League Champions (3/9). 1936, 1937 World Series victors (2/3). 125-96, .565% vs. the New York Yankees.

07-25-2006, 09:02 PM	#9 (permalink)
Garlon All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,111	Kelric - How did you set up this 1870's league? Is it fictional? The PCM's only go back to 1871, so if you started in 1870 you have modern created players trying to produce 1870's type stats, which would cause a problem. If you wanted to start a historical league in 1871 you need to delete all the fictional players before moving to 1871. If you want to start an 1871 historical league I have a QS available in my signature, and some other people also made 1871 QS's that you can find at ootpmodsquad.com My 1871 QS file needs to be updated because there are about 8 pitchers in the file with faulty ratings due to a statistical anomaly that we later fixed with the DB. __________________ Arod23Garlon2006DB available HERE 1871 Quickstart file available HERE

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