1919 World Series Fixing Scandal! Voters needed!

attackemu · 09-28-2006, 08:16 PM

ed. note: during my historical replay, I decided to keep an eye out for a team in the late teens that blew a World Series they were supposed to win, and when that happened, I decided to check the players on the team.

If 6 or more players both a) had a greed rating of 6 or higher (2-8 scale) and b) performed significantly lower during the World Series than they did during the Regular Season, an investigation would have to take place to see whether or not the games were fixed.

In 1919, (of all years!) the heavily favoured New York Giants met the Chicago White Sox (ironically) in the Fall Classic. They lost, and the series went to the ninth game. Presented are the starting eight, and the pitching staff of the '19 Giants.

Your votes will help decide who gets indicted for cheating. My assumption is that players with high greed and notably worse stats were probably involved, and also possibly some players with low greed but also low intelligence.

Please feel free to discuss who you think threw games and who you think didn't before making your final vote. Any information you might need, I'll be happy to provide. Anyone with over 50% votes will be banned from my historical simulation for LIFE!

EVIDENCE FOR THE PROSECUTION

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Name: Ainsworth, Eddie "Dorf"
Position: Catcher
Age: 27
Greed (1-200): 22
Intelligence (1-200): 89
Regular Season Stats: .240/.290/.318, 258 AB
Postseason Stats: .208/.208./375, 24 AB

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Name: Bridwell, Al
Position: Shortstop
Age: 35
Greed (1-200): 89
Intelligence (1-200): 131
Regular Season Stats: .303/.363/.350, 600 AB
Postseason Stats: .324/.405/.351, 37 AB
Notes: Acquired by Giants from Cubs in mid-season trade

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Name: Burns, George
Position: Left Field
Age: 29
Greed (1-200): 162
Intelligence (1-200): 35
Regular Season Stats: .311/.380/.431, 557 AB
Postseason Stats: .100/.119/.175, 40 AB

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Name: Erickson, Eric
Position: Pitcher
Age: 24
Greed (1-200): 55
Intelligence (1-200): 136
Regular Season Stats: 12-7, 2.55, 35 G, 16 GS
Postseason Stats: 1-1, 4.24, 2 G, 2 GS

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Name: Frisch, Frankie "The Fordham Flash"
Position: Third Base
Age: 21
Greed (1-200): 57
Intelligence (1-200): 110
Regular Season Stats: .230/.302/.306, 196 AB
Postseason Stats: .200/.194/.233, 30 AB

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Name: Marquard, Rube
Position: Pitcher
Age: 33
Greed (1-200): 132
Intelligence (1-200): 183
Regular Season Stats:11-11, 2.85, 88 G, 8 GS, 15 SV, 2 BS
Postseason Stats: 0-1, 3.32, 5 G, 0 GS, 1 BS
Notes: The normally steady Marquard gave up the winning run in the 12th inning of game 9

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Name: Menosky, Mike "Leaping Mike"
Position: Right Field
Age: 25
Greed (1-200): 143
Intelligence (1-200): 150
Regular Season Stats:.284/.354/.421, 489 AB
Postseason Stats: .407/.529/.444, 27 AB

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Name: Merkle, Fred
Position: First Base
Age: 30
Greed (1-200): 155
Intelligence (1-200): 49
Regular Season Stats: .270/.312/.391, 571 AB
Postseason Stats: .171/.293/.286, 35 AB

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Name: Rudolph, Dick "Baldy"
Position: Pitcher
Age: 32
Greed (1-200): 189
Intelligence (1-200): 141
Regular Season Stats: 23-15, 3.05, 38 G, 38 GS
Postseason Stats: 2-0, 1.50, 3 G, 1 GS

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Name: Schupp, Ferdie
Position: Pitcher
Age: 28
Greed (1-200): 108
Intelligence (1-200): 151
Regular Season Stats: 10-5, 2.36, 30 G, 17 GS
Postseason Stats: 1-1, 1.71, 3 G, 2 GS

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Name: Shafer, Tillie
Position: Second Base
Age: 30
Greed (1-200): 37
Intelligence (1-200): 112
Regular Season Stats: .325/.389/.414, 459 AB
Postseason Stats: .263/.375/.316, 19 AB

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Name: Snodgrass, Fred "Snow"
Position: Center Field
Age: 32
Greed (1-200): 183
Intelligence (1-200): 127
Regular Season Stats: .277/.340/.338, 426 AB
Postseason Stats: .225/.295/.225, 40 AB

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Name: Toney, Fred
Position: Pitcher
Age: 30
Greed (1-200): 61
Intelligence (1-200): 123
Regular Season Stats: 13-16, 2.90, 36 G, 36 GS
Postseason Stats: 0-1, 5.40, 2 G, 2 GS

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Name: Whitehouse, Charlie "Lefty"
Position: Pitcher
Age: 25
Greed (1-200): 92
Intelligence (1-200): 105
Regular Season Stats: 19-12, 2.97, 39 G, 39 GS
Postseason Stats: 0-1, 3.52, 2 G, 2 GS

attackemu · 09-28-2006, 10:51 PM

AHH! Messed up the poll!

ctorg · 09-29-2006, 07:36 AM

I take it that it was meant to be multiple-choice.

Well, if I had mod powers in this forum, I'd try to help, but I don't.

plannine · 09-29-2006, 10:24 AM

I think it was the manager & coaches for leaving a couple of those guys in the game.......

Raidergoo · 09-29-2006, 10:35 AM

J'Accuse:

Ainsworth
Burns
Erickson
Marquard
Merkle
Shafer
Snodgrass
Toney

Nukester · 09-29-2006, 10:59 PM

I would certainly say Burns is guilty. Dumb, greedy, and couldnt hit the side of a barn in the playoffs.

If he had accomplises, I think Merkle is a good candidate. Another greedy dumb guy. However, his OBP isnt that far off from his regular season number, with a small sample size of playoff appearances, but he certainly didnt put any power into whatever he was hitting.

Snodgrass is another one I would suspect if I had to pick another one

The others just seem like they got outplayed.

Rasmuth · 09-30-2006, 10:05 AM

I'm not sure I see a conspiracy here...

BaseballMan · 09-30-2006, 02:13 PM

Could you provide a account of what each player did in each game? I mean if he doesnt get a hit everytime players are in scoring position or until his team is way behind or if he just happens to make an error with a runner on third and is greedy then it might give us a better idea of who to pick. Right now i cant see a player being guilty simply because he wants a lot of money and cant hit in the series.

BaseballMan · 09-30-2006, 02:19 PM

But i do like the idea of banning a player if gets more than 50%. I think it gives your league a little more flavor of reality.

Curtis · 10-01-2006, 09:03 PM

I'm with Nukester, but the poll only allows one vote!

railroad_ross · 10-19-2006, 06:53 PM

Could only vote once but Frisch, Marquard and Merkle where in it with Bridwell

MorseMoose · 10-19-2006, 06:57 PM

I just say Burns and Merkle.

View Poll Results: Vote for who you think DID throw games in my fake-1919 replay.
Eddie Ainsmith	1	2.86%
Al Bridwell	0	0%
George Burns	24	68.57%
Eric Erickson	0	0%
Frankie Frisch	2	5.71%
Rube Marquard	0	0%
Mike Menosky	0	0%
Frank Merkle	5	14.29%
Dick Rudolph	1	2.86%
Ferdie Schupp	0	0%
Tillie Shafer	0	0%
Fred Snodgrass	1	2.86%
Fred Toney	1	2.86%
Charlie Whitehouse	0	0%
Voters: 35. You may not vote on this poll

09-28-2006, 10:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
attackemu All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 944 Thanks: 27 Thanked 39x in 14 posts	AHH! Messed up the poll! __________________

09-29-2006, 07:36 AM	#3 (permalink)
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 9,701 Thanks: 38 Thanked 91x in 51 posts	I take it that it was meant to be multiple-choice. Well, if I had mod powers in this forum, I'd try to help, but I don't. __________________ THE VERY US ARTISTS - A project for musicians and visual artists My music Currently reading: Thirteen by Richard Morgan "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

09-29-2006, 10:24 AM	#4 (permalink)
plannine Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 489 Thanks: 12 Thanked 6x in 6 posts	I think it was the manager & coaches for leaving a couple of those guys in the game....... __________________ Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa - Casey Stengel

09-29-2006, 10:59 PM	#6 (permalink)
Nukester All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newburgh, NY Posts: 1,930 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2x in 2 posts	I would certainly say Burns is guilty. Dumb, greedy, and couldnt hit the side of a barn in the playoffs. If he had accomplises, I think Merkle is a good candidate. Another greedy dumb guy. However, his OBP isnt that far off from his regular season number, with a small sample size of playoff appearances, but he certainly didnt put any power into whatever he was hitting. Snodgrass is another one I would suspect if I had to pick another one The others just seem like they got outplayed. __________________ Well, I don't really think that the end can be assessed as of itself as being the end because what does the end feel like? It's like saying when you try to extrapolate the end of the universe, you say, if the universe is indeed infinite, then how - what does that mean? How far is all the way, and then if it stops, what's stopping it, and what's behind what's stopping it? So, what's the end, you know, is my question to you. Last edited by Nukester; 09-29-2006 at 11:01 PM.

09-29-2006, 10:35 AM	#5 (permalink)
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 8,403 Thanks: 104 Thanked 78x in 52 posts	J'Accuse: Ainsworth Burns Erickson Marquard Merkle Shafer Snodgrass Toney

09-30-2006, 10:05 AM	#7 (permalink)
Rasmuth All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Upstate Western NY Posts: 1,387 Thanks: 9 Thanked 17x in 14 posts	I'm not sure I see a conspiracy here... __________________ http://www.indiemusicworks.com/Rasmuth/ http://www.indiemusicworks.com/The_Audio_Revival/

09-30-2006, 02:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 3,535 Thanks: 8 Thanked 90x in 60 posts	Could you provide a account of what each player did in each game? I mean if he doesnt get a hit everytime players are in scoring position or until his team is way behind or if he just happens to make an error with a runner on third and is greedy then it might give us a better idea of who to pick. Right now i cant see a player being guilty simply because he wants a lot of money and cant hit in the series. Last edited by BaseballMan; 10-01-2006 at 09:23 PM.

09-30-2006, 02:19 PM	#9 (permalink)
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 3,535 Thanks: 8 Thanked 90x in 60 posts	But i do like the idea of banning a player if gets more than 50%. I think it gives your league a little more flavor of reality.

10-01-2006, 09:03 PM	#10 (permalink)
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 4,530 Thanks: 1 Thanked 108x in 91 posts	I'm with Nukester, but the poll only allows one vote! __________________ 2012 — The year for Inside The Park 2!

10-19-2006, 06:53 PM	#11 (permalink)
railroad_ross Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 254 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Could only vote once but Frisch, Marquard and Merkle where in it with Bridwell

10-19-2006, 06:57 PM	#12 (permalink)
MorseMoose Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,835 Blog Entries: 4 Thanks: 162 Thanked 167x in 116 posts Infractions: 1/1 (1)	I just say Burns and Merkle. __________________ [Referring to rich12545] Yoda: Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. [Referring to rich12545] Princess Leia: But, why must you confront him? Luke: Because, there is good in him. I've felt it. He won't turn me over to the Emperor. I can save him. I can turn him back to the good side. I have to try

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