Available Money Issue

[afail]

Sorry I don't have more details on this, but basically I was in the Preseason and the Front Office screen said I had $4,000,000 left to spend. Went I went to offer a player a 1 year contract, I could not offer him more then $1.3M because the owner would not approve the deal. I am using 1.02

[battists]

Originally Posted by afail

Sorry I don't have more details on this, but basically I was in the Preseason and the Front Office screen said I had $4,000,000 left to spend. Went I went to offer a player a 1 year contract, I could not offer him more then $1.3M because the owner would not approve the deal. I am using 1.02

Afail,

Unfortunately, I think we may need a little more information on this.

The game in general considers the team's financial situation for the next two years when determining whether to approve a contract or not. It would certainly help if you could get us a screenshot of your front office page when something like this occurs.

I'll do some more research over here as well.

Thanks!

Steve

[afail]

thanks steve,

i apologize over the vauge details, I will get a screen shot if I am able to reproduce

[Astros Fan in Cali]

I have had this problem when trying to negotiate an extension. Here's how it went down: I had about 32 million to sign extensions and offered 15 in year one of a four year deal to my star SS. He replied that I needed to seriously up my offer or he was going to test free agency. I decided to up my year one offer to 18 million. However, my owner did not approve because he said I only has 17 million with which to sign extensions for next year (the original 32 less the 15 previously offered) When I lowered the first year to 17 million the owner gave approval. The SS signed the second offer, but I did not recover the original 15 million to offer extensions to other players. My owner (the AI) took the position that I had spent all my money already!

This is with the 1.02 WIP patch.

[battists]

Originally Posted by Astros Fan in Cali

I have had this problem when trying to negotiate an extension. Here's how it went down: I had about 32 million to sign extensions and offered 15 in year one of a four year deal to my star SS. He replied that I needed to seriously up my offer or he was going to test free agency. I decided to up my year one offer to 18 million. However, my owner did not approve because he said I only has 17 million with which to sign extensions for next year (the original 32 less the 15 previously offered) When I lowered the first year to 17 million the owner gave approval. The SS signed the second offer, but I did not recover the original 15 million to offer extensions to other players. My owner (the AI) took the position that I had spent all my money already!

This is with the 1.02 WIP patch.

I don't think your analysis is quite correct. I think what is happening is this:

When considering whether to approve an offer, the AI looks forward several years, considering potential income and player expenses. My guess is that your deal was rejected because it would potentially have put you in the red in future years. That's why it wouldn't let you spend the whole 32, I think.

The AI also considers things like arbitration, making estimates of what players might make when they reach arbitration.

Thoughts?

Steve

[Astros Fan in Cali]

Originally Posted by battists

I don't think your analysis is quite correct. I think what is happening is this:

When considering whether to approve an offer, the AI looks forward several years, considering potential income and player expenses. My guess is that your deal was rejected because it would potentially have put you in the red in future years. That's why it wouldn't let you spend the whole 32, I think.

The AI also considers things like arbitration, making estimates of what players might make when they reach arbitration.

Thoughts?

Steve

I don't think the problem had to do with future years. I had bumps of 1 million per year for the player and several expensive contracts going away within two years. I was well under budget in the current year with cash reserves near 200 million, as I've been significantly under budget for about 8 years running. The only change I made to the offer was to lower the first year to the 17 million threshold (so I guess I ended up with a 2 million bump to year 2).

In any event, the 15 million I originally offered continued to be counted against me the rest of the year. As the year progessed and my projected surplus increased, due to being under budget, that money was made available for extensions. I'm only at the AS break right now and have about 8 million with which I can sign extensions. I should be at 23 million (32 to start the year, 8 additional since I'm under budget, less the 17 committed to the SS.

[battists]

Fair enough!

I'll try to peek at this.

If you can come up with another situation, it would help if you could make your league files available, and possibly post a screenshot of your front office page.

Thanks!

Steve

[Astros Fan in Cali]

I made a couple of screenshots but I can't get them to appear in the post. I saved them to a Word file which I can send to you if you'd like. I can also make league files available, please just tell me which file(s) you need a copy of and I'll send them.

[Astros Fan in Cali]

Trying to post the screen capture... Can only get this small version

[battists]

Why don't you zip up jsut the .dat files in your league and e-mail them to me at steve.battisti@ootpdevelopments.com.

[Astros Fan in Cali]

Will do. Right now I have to get to work so I'll do it tonight.

[battists]

OK. So far, we've been unable to confirm a bug in this area (even with your files, Astros). What I need you guys to do is this:

If you get into a situation where this is causing a problem, please save a copy of your .dat files and let me know ASAP.

I'm not saying that there isn't a bug, it's just a pretty confusing set of calculations.

[Pirate Fan]

Originally Posted by Astros Fan in Cali

I have had this problem when trying to negotiate an extension. Here's how it went down: I had about 32 million to sign extensions and offered 15 in year one of a four year deal to my star SS. He replied that I needed to seriously up my offer or he was going to test free agency. I decided to up my year one offer to 18 million. However, my owner did not approve because he said I only has 17 million with which to sign extensions for next year (the original 32 less the 15 previously offered) When I lowered the first year to 17 million the owner gave approval. The SS signed the second offer, but I did not recover the original 15 million to offer extensions to other players. My owner (the AI) took the position that I had spent all my money already!

This is with the 1.02 WIP patch.

I've had problems very similar to the above and others mentioned in this thread. At the end of my first year of play the game indicated that I had about $80 million available for player contracts. I offered contracts totaling about $68 million and players signed contracts totaling about $30 million. I never heard back from the other free agents and I never received back the money offered in those contracts.

For awhile I had $12 million (the original 80 less the 68 oferred) left for contracts but that money dissappeared sometime in early February without me having signed anyone. After the next season started the money available for FA contracts slowly increased as the season progressed but the owner would not approve any major league deals for quite awhile even for the minimum.

It is now early August and the money available is about $26 million according to the message I get but the owner will not approve a deal for more than about $2 million.

If the game is working the way it is supposed to it is very hard to understand what is going on and how much mony is actually available for signing players. I think it would be easier and more realistic if owners just gave you a budget instead of having it vary sometimes on a day to day basis. Also, money shouldn't be lost just from offerring a deal if the player does not sign. It would be good if players also responded whe declining an offer or otherwise there should be a method to retract an offer.

[Pirate Fan]

Originally Posted by Astros Fan in Cali

I have had this problem when trying to negotiate an extension. Here's how it went down: I had about 32 million to sign extensions and offered 15 in year one of a four year deal to my star SS. He replied that I needed to seriously up my offer or he was going to test free agency. I decided to up my year one offer to 18 million. However, my owner did not approve because he said I only has 17 million with which to sign extensions for next year (the original 32 less the 15 previously offered) When I lowered the first year to 17 million the owner gave approval. The SS signed the second offer, but I did not recover the original 15 million to offer extensions to other players. My owner (the AI) took the position that I had spent all my money already!

This is with the 1.02 WIP patch.

I've had problems very similar to the above and others mentioned in this thread. At the end of my first year of play the game indicated that I had about $80 million available for player contracts. I offered contracts totaling about $68 million and players signed contracts totaling about $30 million. I never heard back from the other free agents and I never received back the money offered in those contracts.

For awhile I had $12 million (the original 80 less the 68 oferred) left for contracts but that money dissappeared sometime in early February without me having signed anyone. After the next season started the money available for FA contracts slowly increased as the season progressed but the owner would not approve any major league deals for quite awhile even for the minimum.

It is now early August and the money available is about $26 million according to the message I get but the owner will not approve a deal for more than about $2 million.

If the game is working the way it is supposed to it is very hard to understand what is going on and how much money is actually available for signing players. I think it would be easier and more realistic if owners just gave you a budget instead of having it vary sometimes on a day to day basis. Also, money shouldn't be lost just from offerring a deal if the player does not sign. It would be good if players also responded when declining an offer or otherwise there should be a method to retract an offer or at least a way to find out when an offer has expired.

[battists]

Aha!

Markus found it!

Should be fixed in the next patch (not the one released today)...