Scoring Bug

bobm64 · 06-17-2007, 09:28 PM

I was playing Cleveland vs LA Angels and this scoring bug occured for Jeremy Sowers

Batter reaches on E5
Runner retired on FC 6-4, Batter reaches 1B
Hitter hits two run HR
Next two batters make outs

Statistics show 2 ER given up. This should only be 1 ER.

I wasn't sure if anyone else posted this.

Thanks

Nutlaw · 06-18-2007, 07:02 PM

Did you find this using version 2.0.2.53 of OOTP?

bobm64 · 06-19-2007, 10:23 PM

I will check this weekend. Thanks for checking.

Nutlaw · 06-23-2007, 05:52 PM

Have you had time to check your game version, bobm64?

bobm64 · 07-04-2007, 10:31 AM

I have been traveling for work. Yes, I am playing the game with the most updated version. Thanks for keeping after this bug.

jeter6970 · 07-04-2007, 07:12 PM

Batter reaches on E5
Runner retired on FC 6-4, Batter reaches 1B
Hitter hits two run HR
Next two batters make outs

Based on the information you provided it seems like there was a man on 1st with no one out. You cannot assume a double play, so the fact that the runner on base was retired, the batter simply reached on a fielder's choice. In that case his run would be earned after the next batter hit a HR.

The problem in this case is that no error should have been charged at all. Again, since you can't assume the DP, and one out was made at 2B no error was made.

On top of that if the force was made 6-4, then how on earth does the third baseman get an error if he never touched the ball?

injury log · 07-04-2007, 07:59 PM

jeter, I think you're combining two different plays into one. The intended situation is the following, I'm sure:

-first batter reaches on an error to the third baseman;
-next play, grounder to shortstop, out made at second, batter safe at first on fielder's choice;
-2 run homer
-2 outs.

The original analysis is certainly correct; only one run should be earned.

jeter6970 · 07-04-2007, 10:30 PM

Okay, then that makes more sense as far as where the E5 comes from, but still the guy who reached on an error wasn't even on base when the HR was hit. That being the case, and with only one out, then both those runs have to be earned. There is no scoring bug or anything wrong with the way that play went down.

Curtis · 07-04-2007, 10:39 PM

If you replay the inning without the error, then the first guy is out 5-3. Without him on base to be erased on the fielder's choice, the second batter goes out 6-3 and there's no one on when the third batter gets his dinger.

bobm64 · 07-05-2007, 03:17 PM

In my scenario, the second hitter who hit into the FC is now the runner at 1st. To determine unearned runs, you have to reconstruct the inning as if no error took place. Therefore, if the error never occured, no runners would be on base, and there would have been 2 out when the HR was hit (1 Earned run). The runner on 1st now takes the place of the runner who reached because of error. His run is unearned.

This situation is similar to a pitcher who allows a basehit and is replaced. Pitcher #2 gets his first hitter on a FC. The batter he faced is now at first. Next hitter hits a 2-run HR. 1 Run charged to pitcher #1 and 1 to pitcher #2. The FC runner took the place of the runner allowed by pitcher #1, therefore that runner is still his responsiblity.

Just some scoring quirks of baseball, which is why every game is different. That is what makes baseball outstanding.

injury log · 07-05-2007, 07:11 PM

Just to add my voice to the choir, bobm has it right the whole way. If the game charged 2 ERs in the original example, there is definitely a scoring bug.

Nutlaw · 07-05-2007, 08:43 PM

Tt 3745

Nutlaw · 07-09-2007, 06:26 PM

This was marked as something that cannot be reproduced. Without screenshots, I believe that we may be out of luck.

endgame · 07-09-2007, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nutlaw

This was marked as something that cannot be reproduced. Without screenshots, I believe that we may be out of luck.

bobm64: Do you have a gamelog for the game in question?

06-17-2007, 09:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
bobm64 Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Scoring Bug I was playing Cleveland vs LA Angels and this scoring bug occured for Jeremy Sowers Batter reaches on E5 Runner retired on FC 6-4, Batter reaches 1B Hitter hits two run HR Next two batters make outs Statistics show 2 ER given up. This should only be 1 ER. I wasn't sure if anyone else posted this. Thanks

06-18-2007, 07:02 PM	#2 (permalink)
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,529 Thanks: 79 Thanked 102x in 62 posts	Did you find this using version 2.0.2.53 of OOTP? __________________ BJHL: GM of the Manhattan Crime Occasional Contributor to The Cardinal Nation

06-23-2007, 05:52 PM	#4 (permalink)
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,529 Thanks: 79 Thanked 102x in 62 posts	Have you had time to check your game version, bobm64? __________________ BJHL: GM of the Manhattan Crime Occasional Contributor to The Cardinal Nation

07-04-2007, 10:31 AM	#5 (permalink)
bobm64 Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Sorry I haven't gotten back to you I have been traveling for work. Yes, I am playing the game with the most updated version. Thanks for keeping after this bug.

07-04-2007, 10:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 4,530 Thanks: 1 Thanked 108x in 91 posts	If you replay the inning without the error, then the first guy is out 5-3. Without him on base to be erased on the fielder's choice, the second batter goes out 6-3 and there's no one on when the third batter gets his dinger. __________________ 2012 — The year for Inside The Park 2!

06-19-2007, 10:23 PM	#3 (permalink)
bobm64 Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	I will check this weekend. Thanks for checking.

07-04-2007, 07:12 PM	#6 (permalink)
jeter6970 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 46 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Batter reaches on E5 Runner retired on FC 6-4, Batter reaches 1B Hitter hits two run HR Next two batters make outs Based on the information you provided it seems like there was a man on 1st with no one out. You cannot assume a double play, so the fact that the runner on base was retired, the batter simply reached on a fielder's choice. In that case his run would be earned after the next batter hit a HR. The problem in this case is that no error should have been charged at all. Again, since you can't assume the DP, and one out was made at 2B no error was made. On top of that if the force was made 6-4, then how on earth does the third baseman get an error if he never touched the ball?

07-04-2007, 07:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
injury log Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 4,714 Thanks: 189 Thanked 500x in 258 posts	jeter, I think you're combining two different plays into one. The intended situation is the following, I'm sure: -first batter reaches on an error to the third baseman; -next play, grounder to shortstop, out made at second, batter safe at first on fielder's choice; -2 run homer -2 outs. The original analysis is certainly correct; only one run should be earned.

07-04-2007, 10:30 PM	#8 (permalink)
jeter6970 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 46 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Okay, then that makes more sense as far as where the E5 comes from, but still the guy who reached on an error wasn't even on base when the HR was hit. That being the case, and with only one out, then both those runs have to be earned. There is no scoring bug or anything wrong with the way that play went down.

07-05-2007, 03:17 PM	#10 (permalink)
bobm64 Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	FC as un unearned run In my scenario, the second hitter who hit into the FC is now the runner at 1st. To determine unearned runs, you have to reconstruct the inning as if no error took place. Therefore, if the error never occured, no runners would be on base, and there would have been 2 out when the HR was hit (1 Earned run). The runner on 1st now takes the place of the runner who reached because of error. His run is unearned. This situation is similar to a pitcher who allows a basehit and is replaced. Pitcher #2 gets his first hitter on a FC. The batter he faced is now at first. Next hitter hits a 2-run HR. 1 Run charged to pitcher #1 and 1 to pitcher #2. The FC runner took the place of the runner allowed by pitcher #1, therefore that runner is still his responsiblity. Just some scoring quirks of baseball, which is why every game is different. That is what makes baseball outstanding.

07-05-2007, 07:11 PM	#11 (permalink)
injury log Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 4,714 Thanks: 189 Thanked 500x in 258 posts	Just to add my voice to the choir, bobm has it right the whole way. If the game charged 2 ERs in the original example, there is definitely a scoring bug.

07-05-2007, 08:43 PM	#12 (permalink)
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,529 Thanks: 79 Thanked 102x in 62 posts	Tt 3745 __________________ BJHL: GM of the Manhattan Crime Occasional Contributor to The Cardinal Nation

07-09-2007, 06:26 PM	#13 (permalink)
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,529 Thanks: 79 Thanked 102x in 62 posts	This was marked as something that cannot be reproduced. Without screenshots, I believe that we may be out of luck. __________________ BJHL: GM of the Manhattan Crime Occasional Contributor to The Cardinal Nation

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