Contract Extension AI Problem

enuttage · 07-21-2007, 05:19 PM

Version: 2.0.2.53
PC/MAC: PC (and perhaps Mac - It's an online league)
What were you doing? Offering contract extensions to players before either auto-renewal or arbitration eligibility has expired, even to minor-league players.
What happened? Players are accepting ridiculously low amounts of money for extensions. See here, for one example in our league.
Reproducible? Yes. With multiple players over multiple leagues (via solo testing).
Problem occurs with other leagues? Yes. At least one other online league we know of is experiencing this.

Kind of a potential stumbling boulder for online leagues, at the very least.

Nutlaw · 08-09-2007, 08:03 PM

Could you provide a few more examples, just to prove a pattern?

enuttage · 08-09-2007, 08:18 PM

Well, it's not a majority of players who are accepting these contracts, so it's a little harder to pinpoint exactly why or how this is happening. Once again, this may be a conversion issue. We've got all our contract extension offers on hold till mid-season in order to find out.

Try this thread:

http://www.whbl.org/main/showthread.php?t=16395

edit: More specifically, I do have one more example. It's harder without historical statistics to make sense of, but it's a potential data point, nonetheless.

http://www.whbl.org/reports/news/htm...ayer_3299.html

Also happened in this league, which is how it came to my attention, through a mutual GM.

http://wbh.allsimbaseball3.com/

Also possible in Shane's league, though I can't remember if that's the case.

Nutlaw · 08-09-2007, 08:29 PM

Tt 3831

enuttage · 08-09-2007, 08:32 PM

Nutlaw, I've also posted to our forums, asking for help from anyone who understands the problem a little better than myself. If any of our GMs can help with more details, I'm hoping they'll post here.

Nutlaw · 08-09-2007, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enuttage

Nutlaw, I've also posted to our forums, asking for help from anyone who understands the problem a little better than myself. If any of our GMs can help with more details, I'm hoping they'll post here.

Good call.

Nutlaw · 08-12-2007, 05:53 PM

Now that I'm looking for it, I saw a guy in the on-line league I play in sign a pair of 40ish range OVR players with 1-2 years pro experience to a five year contract extension worth $400,000 per year. They'd beat that in arbitration, much less free agency. Added that note to the TT.

enuttage · 08-12-2007, 06:41 PM

Good. This has already been a pretty big problem in one online league, and could be a 'situation' in any online environment, if allowed to persist.

Thank you for keeping your eyes peeled.

Nutlaw · 08-22-2007, 07:13 PM

This has been marked as something to fix in the next full release of the game. Sorry.

enuttage · 08-23-2007, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nutlaw

This has been marked as something to fix in the next full release of the game. Sorry.

Not a problem, Nutlaw. Thanks for trying to help. I really hope more attention is paid to the online league experience next time around. This is a great solo player game. Now it's time to round it out and not have online leagues be the afterthought.

07-21-2007, 05:19 PM	#1 (permalink)
enuttage Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Balcones Fault Line Posts: 2,267	Contract Extension AI Problem Version: 2.0.2.53 PC/MAC: PC (and perhaps Mac - It's an online league) What were you doing? Offering contract extensions to players before either auto-renewal or arbitration eligibility has expired, even to minor-league players. What happened? Players are accepting ridiculously low amounts of money for extensions. See here, for one example in our league. Reproducible? Yes. With multiple players over multiple leagues (via solo testing). Problem occurs with other leagues? Yes. At least one other online league we know of is experiencing this. Kind of a potential stumbling boulder for online leagues, at the very least. __________________ The former GM of the WHBL Managua Four Roses "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." Last edited by enuttage; 07-21-2007 at 05:21 PM.

08-09-2007, 08:03 PM	#2 (permalink)
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,526 Thanked 102x in 62 posts	Could you provide a few more examples, just to prove a pattern? __________________ BJHL: GM of the Manhattan Crime Occasional Contributor to The Cardinal Nation

08-09-2007, 08:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
enuttage Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Balcones Fault Line Posts: 2,267	Well, it's not a majority of players who are accepting these contracts, so it's a little harder to pinpoint exactly why or how this is happening. Once again, this may be a conversion issue. We've got all our contract extension offers on hold till mid-season in order to find out. Try this thread: http://www.whbl.org/main/showthread.php?t=16395 edit: More specifically, I do have one more example. It's harder without historical statistics to make sense of, but it's a potential data point, nonetheless. http://www.whbl.org/reports/news/htm...ayer_3299.html Also happened in this league, which is how it came to my attention, through a mutual GM. http://wbh.allsimbaseball3.com/ Also possible in Shane's league, though I can't remember if that's the case. __________________ The former GM of the WHBL Managua Four Roses "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." Last edited by enuttage; 08-09-2007 at 08:22 PM.

08-09-2007, 08:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,526 Thanked 102x in 62 posts	Tt 3831 __________________ BJHL: GM of the Manhattan Crime Occasional Contributor to The Cardinal Nation

08-09-2007, 08:32 PM	#5 (permalink)
enuttage Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Balcones Fault Line Posts: 2,267	Nutlaw, I've also posted to our forums, asking for help from anyone who understands the problem a little better than myself. If any of our GMs can help with more details, I'm hoping they'll post here. __________________ The former GM of the WHBL Managua Four Roses "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."

08-12-2007, 05:53 PM	#7 (permalink)
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,526 Thanked 102x in 62 posts	Now that I'm looking for it, I saw a guy in the on-line league I play in sign a pair of 40ish range OVR players with 1-2 years pro experience to a five year contract extension worth $400,000 per year. They'd beat that in arbitration, much less free agency. Added that note to the TT. __________________ BJHL: GM of the Manhattan Crime Occasional Contributor to The Cardinal Nation

08-12-2007, 06:41 PM	#8 (permalink)
enuttage Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Balcones Fault Line Posts: 2,267	Good. This has already been a pretty big problem in one online league, and could be a 'situation' in any online environment, if allowed to persist. Thank you for keeping your eyes peeled. __________________ The former GM of the WHBL Managua Four Roses "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."

08-22-2007, 07:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,526 Thanked 102x in 62 posts	This has been marked as something to fix in the next full release of the game. Sorry. __________________ BJHL: GM of the Manhattan Crime Occasional Contributor to The Cardinal Nation

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