BZ 513: DH going into the field

[Hrbek14]

I had a bit of an issue in one game - I am playing the Twins and I have 2 catchers on my roster. In this particular game, I had my normal starting catcher (Mauer) playing DH and my backup (Redmond) doing the catching. Late in the game, Redmond got on base and I replaced him with a pinch runner, planning on having Mauer take over catching duties. According to baseball rules, this means that my pitcher will need to go into the lineup because I have abandoned my DH. However, I couldn't find any way to make this happen. When I tried to change Mauer's position, DH was the only one that was offered. I tried to drag my pitcher into the lineup and it wouldn't let me. I ended up having to put a position player in at catcher for the rest of the game. So, is this possible to do in the game? If so, how do I do it? If not, this should be reported as an issue to be fixed. Thanks!

[tysok]

I believe it was marked won't or can't fix.
If it's not going to follow MLB rules so you can move him into the field but have to lose the DH, then it just needs to lose the MLB rule and allow you to move into the field and put someone else in as the DH instead, treat it as any other position, IMO.

But my opinion doesn't count for much.

[Hrbek14]

Originally Posted by tysok

I believe it was marked won't or can't fix.
If it's not going to follow MLB rules so you can move him into the field but have to lose the DH, then it just needs to lose the MLB rule and allow you to move into the field and put someone else in as the DH instead, treat it as any other position, IMO.

But my opinion doesn't count for much.

It does have a big impact on strategy and roster makeup - using that Twins team as an example, I'll either need to carry a 3rd catcher on my roster or I won't be able to use Mauer as a DH to give him a bit of rest because I know that Redmond can't be removed for a pinch hitter or runner in a crucial situation. The real Twins are actually a good example to demonstrate the importance of that rule - they have done exactly what I am describing several times over the last couple of years, at least one of which was due to an injury to Redmond during the game.

I had the computer version of Strat-O-Matic for a couple of seasons ago (a game that, while very historically accurate, isn't in the same league as OOTP for the whole experience) and while playing the Twins, I'd estimate that over the course of a single season that I used that tactic 15-20 times. It's a legitimate late-game strategy - of course, if the game goes to extra innings, you're stuck with your pitcher in the lineup!

Having said all of that, I understand that if this is a game design decision because of the difficulty to implement it, it would be rather low on the priority pole. I'd still like to see it done, but it's not going to ruin the game for me or anything like that...

[clamel]

This is I have been thinking on if OOTP could handle this.

Can or can´t doesn´t cut it.

This is a major league rule that is VERY important...

In my book and surely in many other THIS MUST BE FIXED one way or the other. Going halfcocked on this really put the game in shame.

That would be a shame since so much is so very good with OOTP.

Creators do fix it....

[goocat]

I think you have to look at it from a resource/benefit perspective. If you're managing the programming and it's going to take many hours of work to make this DH substitution work, do you commit someone knowing the benefit is minimal since even the people who are playing with the DH rule will employ this change maybe 2 or 3 times a season at best?

I think you focus them on something more pressing that will be more satisfying to a greater number of users, thereby having a much greater impact on customer satisfaction and retention.

...and yeah, it annoys me, too!

[Nutlaw]

I re-opened BZ 513 to see what he has to say about it.

[Dadman]

I also just encountered a DH problem.

as I played via quick play, the AI subbed for my DH but at the end of the half inning now won't allow the sub to DH to continue play. I have tried all sorts of moves like bringing in a new pitcher, subbing the pitcher for the lineup spot. Nothing is working

[Nutlaw]

Originally Posted by Dadman

I also just encountered a DH problem.

as I played via quick play, the AI subbed for my DH but at the end of the half inning now won't allow the sub to DH to continue play. I have tried all sorts of moves like bringing in a new pitcher, subbing the pitcher for the lineup spot. Nothing is working

Have you updated to version 27?