BZ 1723: Did not have identical L/R split problem before patch, but do now

Vercingetorix · 07-01-2008, 03:58 AM

I'm using the Mac version of OOTP9. I imported a fictional league from OOTP8 before the patch was released. I did NOT have any problems with the L/R splits before the patch, so I did not reimport my league after patching, as I'd played a few games and everything looked fine. I patched by downloading the executable only and overwriting the OOTP.app. Ran the new executable, checked L/R splits, everything looked good. I played several sessions as normal with no problems.

Tonight I simmed about 20-25 games, and at some point during that time the L/R splits of all players were set to identical. I've gone back and verified by looking at last night's Time Machine backup: last night, L/R splits were normal; after playing for awhile tonight, L/R splits are all the same. This is after playing post-patch several times without a problem.

I'm a fairly casual OOTP player, so I may not have provided exactly the best information here; if I can be more specific or helpful in any way, please let me know. I'd like to help identify the problem. Thanks!

Nutlaw · 07-01-2008, 07:08 PM

Just to verify, this was using version 9.0.27?

StyxNCa · 07-01-2008, 07:31 PM

Uh oh. I hope this isn't a sign of things to come. I didn't have a problem before the patch or after but I haven't played too many games since the patch. I hope they don't change over time.

Nutlaw · 07-01-2008, 08:15 PM

I need a verification, then I can reopen the bug report.

Vercingetorix · 07-02-2008, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nutlaw

Just to verify, this was using version 9.0.27?

Yes. I did not originally import the OOTP8 league with 9.0.27, of course, but I did *not* have the L/R splits problem after importing it. I upgraded to 9.0.27 as soon as it came out, and didn't have the problem after upgrading. I played several more short sessions with no problems. I played for awhile last night, and suddenly noticed that at some point in the last half-hour or so all my L/R splits had been become identical.

I'll be happy to provide any other information you'd like, as I can see that this might be troublesome. I don't know exactly when the problem occurred, but I've saved the data set from immediately after I noticed the problem, and I have the backup of the data set from the night before.

Vercingetorix · 07-03-2008, 03:47 AM

I have additional information -- I started playing again with the same data set, and it seems that the exact moment when it resets all my L/R splits to the same is when it creates the draft pool in May. Day before, everything's normal. Hit Finish Today, it creates the new draft pool, and suddenly all L/R splits are identical.

Tony M · 07-03-2008, 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vercingetorix

I have additional information -- I started playing again with the same data set, and it seems that the exact moment when it resets all my L/R splits to the same is when it creates the draft pool in May. Day before, everything's normal. Hit Finish Today, it creates the new draft pool, and suddenly all L/R splits are identical.

For all players, or just the draft players?

Vercingetorix · 07-03-2008, 12:31 PM

All players. Immediately after it created the pool of draft players, all the existing players on my team had their L/R splits merged.

Vercingetorix · 07-06-2008, 06:03 PM

I've played this out a couple more times, and I can confirm that (at least in my game) the L/R splits are merged when the draft pool is created. Everything is fine on May 15; after I hit "finish today" and it creates the draft pool, all L/R splits are the same.

Vercingetorix · 07-10-2008, 12:45 PM

So I'm the only person that's had this problem? I've got what looks like a clear, repeatable, specific bug, and nobody else has had the same problem...?

Bummer.

Tony M · 07-10-2008, 12:57 PM

I can't reproduce this problem at all. The only difference I can see is that I am using a PC.

Nutlaw · 07-12-2008, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vercingetorix

I've played this out a couple more times, and I can confirm that (at least in my game) the L/R splits are merged when the draft pool is created. Everything is fine on May 15; after I hit "finish today" and it creates the draft pool, all L/R splits are the same.

Could you please FTP us a zipped copy of your .dat files (preferably post-conversion on May 15) and let us know the file name per the following instructions?

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...-files-us.html

Nutlaw · 07-12-2008, 03:13 PM

I went ahead and logged this as BZ 1723 because it makes me nervous, but please do still provide us with .dat files as they will likely be necessary to troubleshoot the problem.

Vercingetorix · 07-14-2008, 02:19 PM

I've uploaded two zip files -- Vercingetorix_before.zip and Vercingetorix_after.zip. The only action that took place between the two versions was that I hit "Finish Today" immediately before the draft pool was created. As best I can tell, it just takes whatever a players' L split was and sets his R split to be the same thing.

I'm doing this on version 9.1 on a Mac. Same behavior after upgrading to the latest patch.

If I can provide any more information, please let me know. I would hate to have to just throw this league out and start over.

Nutlaw · 07-14-2008, 05:58 PM

Thanks. I added that to the report. I'll let you know once I hear something.

Nutlaw · 07-29-2008, 07:17 PM

Markus replied: "Most players in this league file have similar L/R splits when scouting is off.On draft day the scouting gets updated, and now these splits are closer to thereal splits, thus the confusion."

07-01-2008, 03:58 AM	#1 (permalink)
Vercingetorix Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	BZ 1723: Did not have identical L/R split problem before patch, but do now I'm using the Mac version of OOTP9. I imported a fictional league from OOTP8 before the patch was released. I did NOT have any problems with the L/R splits before the patch, so I did not reimport my league after patching, as I'd played a few games and everything looked fine. I patched by downloading the executable only and overwriting the OOTP.app. Ran the new executable, checked L/R splits, everything looked good. I played several sessions as normal with no problems. Tonight I simmed about 20-25 games, and at some point during that time the L/R splits of all players were set to identical. I've gone back and verified by looking at last night's Time Machine backup: last night, L/R splits were normal; after playing for awhile tonight, L/R splits are all the same. This is after playing post-patch several times without a problem. I'm a fairly casual OOTP player, so I may not have provided exactly the best information here; if I can be more specific or helpful in any way, please let me know. I'd like to help identify the problem. Thanks!

07-01-2008, 07:08 PM	#2 (permalink)
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,529 Thanks: 79 Thanked 102x in 62 posts	Just to verify, this was using version 9.0.27? __________________ BJHL: GM of the Manhattan Crime Occasional Contributor to The Cardinal Nation

07-01-2008, 08:15 PM	#4 (permalink)
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,529 Thanks: 79 Thanked 102x in 62 posts	I need a verification, then I can reopen the bug report. __________________ BJHL: GM of the Manhattan Crime Occasional Contributor to The Cardinal Nation

07-03-2008, 03:47 AM	#6 (permalink)
Vercingetorix Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	I have additional information -- I started playing again with the same data set, and it seems that the exact moment when it resets all my L/R splits to the same is when it creates the draft pool in May. Day before, everything's normal. Hit Finish Today, it creates the new draft pool, and suddenly all L/R splits are identical. Last edited by Vercingetorix; 07-03-2008 at 03:49 AM.

07-10-2008, 12:57 PM	#11 (permalink)
Tony M Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Here Posts: 6,113 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 38 Thanked 309x in 179 posts	I can't reproduce this problem at all. The only difference I can see is that I am using a PC. __________________ This signature is intentionally blank

07-01-2008, 07:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
StyxNCa Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Victoria, Texas Posts: 3,000 Thanks: 228 Thanked 177x in 105 posts	Uh oh. I hope this isn't a sign of things to come. I didn't have a problem before the patch or after but I haven't played too many games since the patch. I hope they don't change over time.

07-03-2008, 12:31 PM	#8 (permalink)
Vercingetorix Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	All players. Immediately after it created the pool of draft players, all the existing players on my team had their L/R splits merged.

07-06-2008, 06:03 PM	#9 (permalink)
Vercingetorix Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	I've played this out a couple more times, and I can confirm that (at least in my game) the L/R splits are merged when the draft pool is created. Everything is fine on May 15; after I hit "finish today" and it creates the draft pool, all L/R splits are the same.

07-10-2008, 12:45 PM	#10 (permalink)
Vercingetorix Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	So I'm the only person that's had this problem? I've got what looks like a clear, repeatable, specific bug, and nobody else has had the same problem...? Bummer.

07-12-2008, 03:13 PM	#13 (permalink)
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,529 Thanks: 79 Thanked 102x in 62 posts	I went ahead and logged this as BZ 1723 because it makes me nervous, but please do still provide us with .dat files as they will likely be necessary to troubleshoot the problem. __________________ BJHL: GM of the Manhattan Crime Occasional Contributor to The Cardinal Nation

07-14-2008, 02:19 PM	#14 (permalink)
Vercingetorix Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	I've uploaded two zip files -- Vercingetorix_before.zip and Vercingetorix_after.zip. The only action that took place between the two versions was that I hit "Finish Today" immediately before the draft pool was created. As best I can tell, it just takes whatever a players' L split was and sets his R split to be the same thing. I'm doing this on version 9.1 on a Mac. Same behavior after upgrading to the latest patch. If I can provide any more information, please let me know. I would hate to have to just throw this league out and start over.

07-14-2008, 05:58 PM	#15 (permalink)
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,529 Thanks: 79 Thanked 102x in 62 posts	Thanks. I added that to the report. I'll let you know once I hear something. __________________ BJHL: GM of the Manhattan Crime Occasional Contributor to The Cardinal Nation

07-29-2008, 07:17 PM	#16 (permalink)
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,529 Thanks: 79 Thanked 102x in 62 posts	Markus replied: "Most players in this league file have similar L/R splits when scouting is off.On draft day the scouting gets updated, and now these splits are closer to thereal splits, thus the confusion." __________________ BJHL: GM of the Manhattan Crime Occasional Contributor to The Cardinal Nation

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