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Old 07-15-2008, 08:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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BZ 1694: Earned Run Problem?

I could be wrong on this but....

Batter 1. Grounds Out (1 out)
Batter 2. Strikes Out but reaches on a passed ball (still 1 out)
Batter 3. Singles
Batter 4. Strikes Out (2 out)
Batter 5. 3 - run home run
Batter 6. Single
Batter 7. Ground Out (3 out)

My pitcher ends up giving up 6 runs in the game - all of them earned.

Shouldn't those 3 runs be unearned? Since the 3rd out should have happened before the homer, because of an PB by the catcher?
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Old 07-16-2008, 05:22 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I could be wrong on this but....

Batter 1. Grounds Out (1 out)
Batter 2. Strikes Out but reaches on a passed ball (still 1 out)
Batter 3. Singles
Batter 4. Strikes Out (2 out)
Batter 5. 3 - run home run
Batter 6. Single
Batter 7. Ground Out (3 out)

My pitcher ends up giving up 6 runs in the game - all of them earned.

Shouldn't those 3 runs be unearned? Since the 3rd out should have happened before the homer, because of an PB by the catcher?

According to MLB.com official rules (10.12)

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The official scorer shall not charge an error when the batter is awarded first base on four called balls, when the batter is awarded first base when touched by a pitched ball, or when the batter reaches first base as the result of a wild pitch or passed ball.


So the passed ball does not count as an error, and all three runs on the HR are earned.

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Old 07-16-2008, 05:53 AM   #3 (permalink)
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No, I think the original poster is right:

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(b) No run shall be earned when scored by a runner who reaches first base
(1) on a hit or otherwise after his time at bat is prolonged by a muffed foul fly;
(2) because of interference or obstruction; or
(3) because of any fielding error.
(c) No run shall be earned when scored by a runner whose presence on the bases is prolonged by an error, if such runner would have been put out by errorless play.
(d) No run shall be earned when the scoring runner's advance has been aided by an error, a passed ball or defensive interference or obstruction, if in the official scorer’s judgment the run would not have scored without the aid of such misplay.
(e) An error by a pitcher is treated exactly the same as an error by any other fielder in computing earned runs.
(f) Whenever a fielding error occurs, the pitcher shall be given the benefit of the doubt in determining to which bases any runners would have advanced had the fielding of the defensive team been errorless.
(g) When pitchers are changed during an inning, the official scorer shall not charge the relief pitcher with any run (earned or unearned) scored by a runner who was on base at the time such relief pitcher entered the game, nor for runs scored by any runner who reaches base on a fielder's choice that puts out a runner left on base by any preceding pitcher.
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Old 07-16-2008, 06:07 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I agree with the OP. Should be unearned.

I'm going to move this to Technical Support. There's a few bugs logged about incorrect scoring of earned/unearned runs, so I'll add this as a link to it.
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Old 07-16-2008, 12:03 PM   #5 (permalink)
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This was marked as something to be addressed at a later time.
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