POLL: Do you use Catobase?

arod23 · 01-10-2005, 09:47 AM

How many of us in the OOTP community use the Catobase utility?

canadiancreed · 01-10-2005, 09:52 AM

where's the poll?

EDIT: Nevermind

Crackerjack · 01-10-2005, 10:10 AM

You should add to the poll "Tried to use but could not get to work". I would love to have it for my league but after bashing my head against my monitor after a billion errors I gave up for my own well being. I do use BOSI, its works like a charm.

canadiancreed · 01-10-2005, 10:12 AM

that's funny, because CATO worked beautifully for me, but BOSI i've never gotten to work on mine with all the errors and DB calls that did.....nothing.

JoeRockEHF · 01-10-2005, 10:25 AM

I'm with Crackerjack. I've tried using Catobase in the past and could not get it to work for the life of me. I'll try again some day!

ifspuds · 01-10-2005, 11:51 AM

How recently have you guys tried using it? Since the last round of revisions to the program, it's been pretty much falling-off-a-log easy for me. I too had a lot of problems with inexplicable errors with OOTP5-specific versions of Catobase and had to spend a lot of time figuring it out, but since Cato updated it for OOTP6, it's become pretty much push-button simple. At least in my experience. I'm sure other people have had plenty of errors, judging by the posts to this forum.

Oh, and I can't get BOSI to work either, to echo what canadiancreed said.

Eugene Church · 01-10-2005, 12:02 PM

Catobase gets mixed reviews...many say it is a must have...but you do see a lot of threads about problems on the Mods Forum...they seem to be about 50% of the threads here. That has scared me off...since I am woefully inept with computers...I must have step-by-step instructions or it is no go with me on any installations...I am not intuitive when it comes to computers.

I have read that the latest version is much easier to use than previous versions. Halofan's wife is designing a website for me and he is helping me with it. He says it is not difficult to use.

Others like DreamTeams said it just takes too much time to process it each season.

I am satisfied with the Almanac.

Hammer755 · 01-10-2005, 12:19 PM

Like others have mentioned, the ease of use of the Catobase has improved significantly since I first started using it. IMO, it is quite easy to implement now. For me, the biggest problem is not setting up the Catobase itself, but the amount of time it takes go generate and upload the HTML reports.

canadiancreed · 01-10-2005, 12:20 PM

very. i find it much easier than BOSI, although I feel that both are good products.

If both were integrated into the game somehow, I feel that OOTP woudl be best of breed for baseball sims for a very long time.

canadiancreed · 01-10-2005, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Oh, and I can't get BOSI to work either, to echo what canadiancreed said.

Glad i'm not the only one. I will admit the second one is much better than the first, but certain things still are unusuable

arod23 · 01-10-2005, 01:30 PM

If you have a virus scan program running (which I hope everyone does), disable it when running catobase and you will improve the data extraction part quite a bit. I have found that I can import the data in half the time just by shutting off virus scan. The creation of html pages will also speed up.

It is a memory intensive utility, so I usually close other programs when running it, saves a lot of time, e.g., email, OOTP, Internet. Incidentally, OOTP with virus scan disabled sims about 75% faster.

SandMan · 01-10-2005, 03:40 PM

The only downside to CATOBASE is that if you have a lot of season it can take a long time to create the HTML pages. I had the program run for almost two DAYS (yes DAYS) to create the pages for a league that was 80+ seasons.

NCBeachBum · 01-10-2005, 11:49 PM

I could never get it t owork back when it was still called OOTP History, but have had absolutely no problems with it since and consider it an absolute must-have. I finally gave up on ever figuring out how to make BOSI work.

canadiancreed · 01-10-2005, 11:55 PM

I foudn that if you want year-by-year pages for your teams, you ahve to generate the pages every year. probably dont have a certain option checked

DaveHorn · 01-11-2005, 10:50 AM

There is an option to regenerate all years when you generate HTML. You'd want to check this option when you are importing multiple seasons at once and don't want to generate HTML in between every season.

canadiancreed · 01-11-2005, 11:29 AM

ahh ok great, thanks for the info

arod23 · 01-11-2005, 11:42 AM

Actually, the option is "current year only" under the output menu. Check this if you already have html files created up through the last season. This will save a lot of time b/c it only creates html files that change when adding the current year. Otherwise, it will recreate all the files whether they change or not.

If you have multiple seasons that have not been input into catobase and dont' have html pages, you would first import each season one at a time, then run create html after you have imported all your seasons. It may take awhile if you have a lot of seasons. What I mean is that if you have multiple seasons to do, it is not faster to create "current year" html pages after each import. It is better to wait and do it all at once.

There is also an option to "recalculate all seasons" for win shares, but that is different and you shouldn't have to do that.

enuttage · 01-11-2005, 03:46 PM

Use it. Love it. Can't do without it. Since Jeff seems to have vanished, I've had problems with the latest iteration of it, and had to roll back to a previous version. Since then, no issues.

I like both CB and BOSI, but agree with a couple others here that CB is a ton easier to use.

I got so damn frustrated with BOSI that I just had Joe install it for me last time I needed to get it on my (his) server, just to save me the headache.

-E

sporr · 01-11-2005, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammer755

Like others have mentioned, the ease of use of the Catobase has improved significantly since I first started using it. IMO, it is quite easy to implement now. For me, the biggest problem is not setting up the Catobase itself, but the amount of time it takes go generate and upload the HTML reports.

This sums it up for me as well. I can't ever see not using it now though.

cibl commish · 01-12-2005, 05:14 AM

Use it for my online leagues I run.. CIBL Catobase & NTBL Catobase

I used to have all sort of issues with it until the last set of updates, but nothing since.

View Poll Results: Do you use Catobase?
Never used it, not interested	9	8.82%
Never used it, but interested in using it	20	19.61%
Used it in the past, but no longer use it	7	6.86%
Currently use but only view its pages created by someone else, don't use the program itself	1	0.98%
Currently use the program	65	63.73%
Voters: 102. You may not vote on this poll

01-10-2005, 09:47 AM	#1 (permalink)
arod23 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 376 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	POLL: Do you use Catobase? How many of us in the OOTP community use the Catobase utility?

01-10-2005, 09:52 AM	#2 (permalink)
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,025 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 463 Thanked 116x in 85 posts	where's the poll? EDIT: Nevermind __________________ Once upon a time I stated if I ever got a warning it was time to go. It looks like that day has finally come. Last edited by canadiancreed; 01-10-2005 at 10:01 AM.

01-10-2005, 10:10 AM	#3 (permalink)
Crackerjack Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 362 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	You should add to the poll "Tried to use but could not get to work". I would love to have it for my league but after bashing my head against my monitor after a billion errors I gave up for my own well being. I do use BOSI, its works like a charm. __________________ Cheers Bird WWW.CRACKERJACKBASEBALL.COM

01-10-2005, 10:12 AM	#4 (permalink)
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,025 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 463 Thanked 116x in 85 posts	that's funny, because CATO worked beautifully for me, but BOSI i've never gotten to work on mine with all the errors and DB calls that did.....nothing. __________________ Once upon a time I stated if I ever got a warning it was time to go. It looks like that day has finally come.

01-10-2005, 10:25 AM	#5 (permalink)
JoeRockEHF All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Niles, MI Posts: 933 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	I'm with Crackerjack. I've tried using Catobase in the past and could not get it to work for the life of me. I'll try again some day! __________________ PSN: JoeRockEHF

01-10-2005, 11:51 AM	#6 (permalink)
ifspuds Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 2,117 Thanks: 1 Thanked 4x in 3 posts	How recently have you guys tried using it? Since the last round of revisions to the program, it's been pretty much falling-off-a-log easy for me. I too had a lot of problems with inexplicable errors with OOTP5-specific versions of Catobase and had to spend a lot of time figuring it out, but since Cato updated it for OOTP6, it's become pretty much push-button simple. At least in my experience. I'm sure other people have had plenty of errors, judging by the posts to this forum. Oh, and I can't get BOSI to work either, to echo what canadiancreed said. __________________ Jeff Watson Former dynasty writer and online league player, now mostly retired

01-10-2005, 12:02 PM	#7 (permalink)
Eugene Church Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 17,080 Thanks: 100 Thanked 100x in 52 posts	Catobase gets mixed reviews...many say it is a must have...but you do see a lot of threads about problems on the Mods Forum...they seem to be about 50% of the threads here. That has scared me off...since I am woefully inept with computers...I must have step-by-step instructions or it is no go with me on any installations...I am not intuitive when it comes to computers. I have read that the latest version is much easier to use than previous versions. Halofan's wife is designing a website for me and he is helping me with it. He says it is not difficult to use. Others like DreamTeams said it just takes too much time to process it each season. I am satisfied with the Almanac. Last edited by Eugene Church; 01-10-2005 at 12:05 PM.

01-10-2005, 12:19 PM	#8 (permalink)
Hammer755 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston, TX Warnings: 11 Posts: 2,345 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Like others have mentioned, the ease of use of the Catobase has improved significantly since I first started using it. IMO, it is quite easy to implement now. For me, the biggest problem is not setting up the Catobase itself, but the amount of time it takes go generate and upload the HTML reports. __________________

01-10-2005, 12:20 PM	#9 (permalink)
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,025 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 463 Thanked 116x in 85 posts	very. i find it much easier than BOSI, although I feel that both are good products. If both were integrated into the game somehow, I feel that OOTP woudl be best of breed for baseball sims for a very long time. __________________ Once upon a time I stated if I ever got a warning it was time to go. It looks like that day has finally come.

01-10-2005, 01:30 PM	#11 (permalink)
arod23 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 376 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Cato speed If you have a virus scan program running (which I hope everyone does), disable it when running catobase and you will improve the data extraction part quite a bit. I have found that I can import the data in half the time just by shutting off virus scan. The creation of html pages will also speed up. It is a memory intensive utility, so I usually close other programs when running it, saves a lot of time, e.g., email, OOTP, Internet. Incidentally, OOTP with virus scan disabled sims about 75% faster.

01-10-2005, 03:40 PM	#12 (permalink)
SandMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Kenosha, Wisconsin Posts: 2,490 Thanks: 220 Thanked 142x in 110 posts	The only downside to CATOBASE is that if you have a lot of season it can take a long time to create the HTML pages. I had the program run for almost two DAYS (yes DAYS) to create the pages for a league that was 80+ seasons.

01-10-2005, 11:49 PM	#13 (permalink)
NCBeachBum All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Topsail Island, NC, USA Posts: 778 Thanks: 9 Thanked 13x in 10 posts	I could never get it t owork back when it was still called OOTP History, but have had absolutely no problems with it since and consider it an absolute must-have. I finally gave up on ever figuring out how to make BOSI work.

01-10-2005, 11:55 PM	#14 (permalink)
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,025 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 463 Thanked 116x in 85 posts	I foudn that if you want year-by-year pages for your teams, you ahve to generate the pages every year. probably dont have a certain option checked __________________ Once upon a time I stated if I ever got a warning it was time to go. It looks like that day has finally come.

01-11-2005, 10:50 AM	#15 (permalink)
DaveHorn All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,141 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1x in 1 post	There is an option to regenerate all years when you generate HTML. You'd want to check this option when you are importing multiple seasons at once and don't want to generate HTML in between every season. __________________ Dave HFTC Commish

01-11-2005, 11:29 AM	#16 (permalink)
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,025 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 463 Thanked 116x in 85 posts	ahh ok great, thanks for the info __________________ Once upon a time I stated if I ever got a warning it was time to go. It looks like that day has finally come.

01-11-2005, 11:42 AM	#17 (permalink)
arod23 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 376 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Actually, the option is "current year only" under the output menu. Check this if you already have html files created up through the last season. This will save a lot of time b/c it only creates html files that change when adding the current year. Otherwise, it will recreate all the files whether they change or not. If you have multiple seasons that have not been input into catobase and dont' have html pages, you would first import each season one at a time, then run create html after you have imported all your seasons. It may take awhile if you have a lot of seasons. What I mean is that if you have multiple seasons to do, it is not faster to create "current year" html pages after each import. It is better to wait and do it all at once. There is also an option to "recalculate all seasons" for win shares, but that is different and you shouldn't have to do that.

01-11-2005, 03:46 PM	#18 (permalink)
enuttage Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Balcones Fault Line Posts: 2,267 Thanks: 6 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Use it. Love it. Can't do without it. Since Jeff seems to have vanished, I've had problems with the latest iteration of it, and had to roll back to a previous version. Since then, no issues. I like both CB and BOSI, but agree with a couple others here that CB is a ton easier to use. I got so damn frustrated with BOSI that I just had Joe install it for me last time I needed to get it on my (his) server, just to save me the headache. -E __________________ The former GM of the WHBL Managua Four Roses "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."

01-12-2005, 05:14 AM	#20 (permalink)
cibl commish All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sycamore, IL Posts: 611 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1x in 1 post	Use it for my online leagues I run.. CIBL Catobase & NTBL Catobase I used to have all sort of issues with it until the last set of updates, but nothing since. __________________ Rick

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