Unbelievable...

Matteo · 10-29-2003, 07:15 PM

..that to read normal interesting post you have to browse through 337892 posts about cheating, cheaters, etc.

It seriously is reducing my appetite to browse these forums. Every second word used these days is cheating... Ignoring is the best way

CommishJoe · 10-29-2003, 07:49 PM

It does portray a bad image to anyone new to these forums.

scotto313 · 10-29-2003, 08:01 PM

It is amusing the first time. Then it gets old.

mavericktango · 10-30-2003, 12:17 AM

Perhaps we ought to have a special cheaters forum ~ then they can advertise their own leagues there. Actually that might be fun to watch - all 24 owners trying to cheat each other !

Karen Lutz · 10-30-2003, 03:57 AM

I ate too much ice cream and now my stomach hurts

Skipaway · 10-30-2003, 04:07 AM

I don't know if there are more cheaters or paranoids.

Bluenoser · 10-30-2003, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CommishJoe
It does portray a bad image to anyone new to these forums.

It portray's a bad image to some long time members of the forums as well.

I've been a regular at the various OOTP Forums since version 2 and quite frankly my time spent here the last few weeks has dropped drastically. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, and in my opinion some of the stuff going on here lately is distastefull and immature. It's one thing to make a point, it's quite another to elaborate it to death. Again, this is just my opinion, and from current indications, is quite likely in the minority.

nbslcardinals · 10-30-2003, 08:18 AM

No Bruce, I don't think you're in the minority; I know I agree with ya.

Skipaway · 10-30-2003, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mavericktango
Perhaps we ought to have a special cheaters forum ~ then they can advertise their own leagues there. Actually that might be fun to watch - all 24 owners trying to cheat each other !

A seperate forum for cheater reporting and cheating method discussion is indeed a very good idea. That would at least solve part of Matteo's problems.

azkyote84 · 10-30-2003, 12:54 PM

I'm with Bruce and Eric on this one, give it a rest...

Cyclone792 · 10-30-2003, 02:52 PM

I think Bruce said it best although he left out probably a VERY important aspect: What about potential OOTP5 buyers that just somehow ran across the game and are checking out the forums among other things as they determine whether or not they should buy the game? I don't know about anybody else, but if I saw this crap while browsing the forums as a potential buyer it'd seriously lower my opinion of the entire game itself. This game isn't Warcraft or Diablo where 15 year olds acting like morons should be prevalent. It's a baseball simulation game that markets itself to a different type of person then that.

Then again, it is an internet forum... which is the ONLY place you'll ever see such immaturity. Cause I'm sure most people here realize if this type of garbage was face to face then there'd be a lot of people eventually getting the crap kicked out of them.

A message to Steve Kuffrey, Henry, Markus, and others monitoring the boards that are affiliated with the game: I seriously would recommend putting an end to all the garbage on the forums. Because all it's doing to you guys is hurting the image of your very own product.

nbslcardinals · 10-30-2003, 02:59 PM

That's true...the mods here are very laissez-faire. There are members of the community who try to nip immature name-calling and what have you, but perhaps a stepped up presence or a "smack down" is needed. Not trying to hate on the mods, because you guys do a great job of helping people when help is requested.

SoxWin · 10-30-2003, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cyclone792
I think Bruce said it best although he left out probably a VERY important aspect: What about potential OOTP5 buyers that just somehow ran across the game and are checking out the forums among other things as they determine whether or not they should buy the game? I don't know about anybody else, but if I saw this crap while browsing the forums as a potential buyer it'd seriously lower my opinion of the entire game itself. This game isn't Warcraft or Diablo where 15 year olds acting like morons should be prevalent. It's a baseball simulation game that markets itself to a different type of person then that.

Then again, it is an internet forum... which is the ONLY place you'll ever see such immaturity. Cause I'm sure most people here realize if this type of garbage was face to face then there'd be a lot of people eventually getting the crap kicked out of them.

A message to Steve Kuffrey, Henry, Markus, and others monitoring the boards that are affiliated with the game: I seriously would recommend putting an end to all the garbage on the forums. Because all it's doing to you guys is hurting the image of your very own product.

You honestly believe this? If I'm buying a game off the net, I couldn't care less how Joe Blow in Arkansas acts on their message board, I care about how the game performs, period. End of story. YMMV

Personally, I'd d/l the demo and play that, if I felt like participating on the board, I would, though it would have no effect on whether I pulled out my cc or not. I've played many games over the years and this is the only board I participate in.

Many of us have asked Steve repeatedly for more stringent modding and it's just not going to happen.

SoxWin · 10-30-2003, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Matteo
..that to read normal interesting post you have to browse through 337892 posts about cheating, cheaters, etc.

It seriously is reducing my appetite to browse these forums. Every second word used these days is cheating... Ignoring is the best way

Please direct me to any such post not dealing with the Fit Dog, Horns Maniac, Kevin, or any other known cheat.

It's not like every commish gets dogpiled in here, just the ones who deserve it. Although, the MFit bashing may, and I stress MAY, be over the top a wee bit.

Matteo · 10-30-2003, 03:25 PM

My statement obviously reflects my perception, it was merely to warn that these kind of discussions make the forums less attractive to me.

I know there are respected owners in my league (like Bruce), that have the same opinion, and it would be a pitty if people stop using these forums because they are not getting out of it what they want.

I am not here to judge people, nor do I insist the mods stepping in. I don't believe in any kind of "forum police" or cheaters forum anyway. Any discussion on this topic is contra-productive anyway, it doesn't solve the problem.

SoxWin · 10-30-2003, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Matteo
My statement obviously reflects my perception, it was merely to warn that these kind of discussions make the forums less attractive to me.

I know there are respected owners in my league (like Bruce), that have the same opinion, and it would be a pitty if people stop using these forums because they are not getting out of it what they want.

I am not here to judge people, nor do I insist the mods stepping in. I don't believe in any kind of "forum police" or cheaters forum anyway. Any discussion on this topic is contra-productive anyway, it doesn't solve the problem.

Hey, we're all entitled to our own opinions/perceptions right?

I can see where you're coming from, but as a new guy to the game, I'd be more upset by a cheating commish then by someone informing me in advance that someone has a shady past with running a league I may want to join.

If people aren't getting what they want from here, I agree that's a shame. However, I also believe that these "incidents" are the exception rather then the norm.

I respect your pov, I just don't necessarily agree with it. Other then Mfit, I can't think of another flame type thread in here for a long time but we'll agree to disagree.

Regards

Rich

satchel · 10-30-2003, 07:10 PM

Whether or not there is a new Cheating forum, someone should be trimming these flame posts and putting them somewhere else. Some of us are here to read and write about OotP online leagues.

nbslcardinals · 10-30-2003, 07:22 PM

...or just have a sticky at the top of this forum that says in big, bold letters: MFITTERER IS A CHEATER! CAVEAT EMPTOR! That way, we won't have sixty flame threads, each thread flaming the same ignorant bastard.

jazzrack · 10-30-2003, 07:40 PM

i personally think that some people just plain have to much time to waste

Skipaway · 10-30-2003, 09:33 PM

I agree completely with SoxWin on this.

Mfitterer1's problems these days are no longer about cheating, but trolling. Some people's enthusiasm on taunting/teasing him also didn't help.

Isn't it just the norm of all prosperous forums?

10-29-2003, 07:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
Matteo Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Posts: 473 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Unbelievable... ..that to read normal interesting post you have to browse through 337892 posts about cheating, cheaters, etc. It seriously is reducing my appetite to browse these forums. Every second word used these days is cheating... Ignoring is the best way __________________ ESPN The Show live chat during 2004 ALCS: Julie (Boston): Do you think Jeter does the fist pump everytime he disappoints a woman in bed? Or does he save it for when he's with A-Rod? Bill Simmons: Whoops - I didn't mean to post that. Really, I didn't.

10-29-2003, 07:49 PM	#2 (permalink)
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,009 Thanks: 30 Thanked 69x in 40 posts	It does portray a bad image to anyone new to these forums. __________________ Joe Question to fiance -- How much do you love me? Answer -- So much that we can get our legs tied together, walking 3 legged for the rest of our lives and I'd love it.

10-30-2003, 12:17 AM	#4 (permalink)
mavericktango Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Leeds,West Yorkshire, UK Posts: 214 Thanks: 37 Thanked 21x in 16 posts	Perhaps we ought to have a special cheaters forum ~ then they can advertise their own leagues there. Actually that might be fun to watch - all 24 owners trying to cheat each other ! __________________ CAMPAIGN FOR REAL ALE ~ Drink beer, you know it makes sense ! Somehow I've ceased to be Barney Grumble and become the Comic Book Guy ----------------------------------------- PEBA: London Underground (2016 - ) Kuwana Steel Dragons (2014 - 2016)

10-30-2003, 04:07 AM	#6 (permalink)
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 10,453 Thanks: 2 Thanked 49x in 40 posts	I don't know if there are more cheaters or paranoids. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

10-30-2003, 08:18 AM	#8 (permalink)
nbslcardinals Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Aliso Viejo, CA Posts: 92 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	No Bruce, I don't think you're in the minority; I know I agree with ya. __________________ NBSL San Jose Sun Kings

10-29-2003, 08:01 PM	#3 (permalink)
scotto313 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,217 Thanks: 7 Thanked 5x in 4 posts	It is amusing the first time. Then it gets old.

10-30-2003, 03:57 AM	#5 (permalink)
Karen Lutz Ball Breaker Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada OOTPChampionships: 5 Posts: 898 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	I ate too much ice cream and now my stomach hurts

10-30-2003, 12:54 PM	#10 (permalink)
azkyote84 Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fosston, MN Posts: 328 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	I'm with Bruce and Eric on this one, give it a rest... __________________ Andy - Future Author of: "Kyote Capenomics and You" Baseball Union Boston Resolute - 1907, 1908, 1909 Union Champions! Looking for 4! ABL Old - School 1999 NL Expansion Franchise

10-30-2003, 02:52 PM	#11 (permalink)
Cyclone792 All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 572 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	I think Bruce said it best although he left out probably a VERY important aspect: What about potential OOTP5 buyers that just somehow ran across the game and are checking out the forums among other things as they determine whether or not they should buy the game? I don't know about anybody else, but if I saw this crap while browsing the forums as a potential buyer it'd seriously lower my opinion of the entire game itself. This game isn't Warcraft or Diablo where 15 year olds acting like morons should be prevalent. It's a baseball simulation game that markets itself to a different type of person then that. Then again, it is an internet forum... which is the ONLY place you'll ever see such immaturity. Cause I'm sure most people here realize if this type of garbage was face to face then there'd be a lot of people eventually getting the crap kicked out of them. A message to Steve Kuffrey, Henry, Markus, and others monitoring the boards that are affiliated with the game: I seriously would recommend putting an end to all the garbage on the forums. Because all it's doing to you guys is hurting the image of your very own product. __________________ Jason POTD: Co-Commish and Glacier Bay Ice Pirates

10-30-2003, 02:59 PM	#12 (permalink)
nbslcardinals Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Aliso Viejo, CA Posts: 92 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	That's true...the mods here are very laissez-faire. There are members of the community who try to nip immature name-calling and what have you, but perhaps a stepped up presence or a "smack down" is needed. Not trying to hate on the mods, because you guys do a great job of helping people when help is requested. __________________ NBSL San Jose Sun Kings

10-30-2003, 03:25 PM	#15 (permalink)
Matteo Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL Posts: 473 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	My statement obviously reflects my perception, it was merely to warn that these kind of discussions make the forums less attractive to me. I know there are respected owners in my league (like Bruce), that have the same opinion, and it would be a pitty if people stop using these forums because they are not getting out of it what they want. I am not here to judge people, nor do I insist the mods stepping in. I don't believe in any kind of "forum police" or cheaters forum anyway. Any discussion on this topic is contra-productive anyway, it doesn't solve the problem. __________________ ESPN The Show live chat during 2004 ALCS: Julie (Boston): Do you think Jeter does the fist pump everytime he disappoints a woman in bed? Or does he save it for when he's with A-Rod? Bill Simmons: Whoops - I didn't mean to post that. Really, I didn't.

10-30-2003, 07:10 PM	#17 (permalink)
satchel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ft Smith AR Posts: 2,680 Thanks: 52 Thanked 48x in 26 posts	Whether or not there is a new Cheating forum, someone should be trimming these flame posts and putting them somewhere else. Some of us are here to read and write about OotP online leagues. __________________ JL Commish NPBL Rhode Island Reds ’33 ’34 ’35 TCBA San Francisco Railbornes ’74 ’76 ’77 ’78 FL New Orleans Black Sox ’56 ’57 ’58 ’59 IOLD

10-30-2003, 07:22 PM	#18 (permalink)
nbslcardinals Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Aliso Viejo, CA Posts: 92 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	...or just have a sticky at the top of this forum that says in big, bold letters: MFITTERER IS A CHEATER! CAVEAT EMPTOR! That way, we won't have sixty flame threads, each thread flaming the same ignorant bastard. __________________ NBSL San Jose Sun Kings

10-30-2003, 07:40 PM	#19 (permalink)
jazzrack Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: still kicking Posts: 2,098 Thanks: 9 Thanked 34x in 21 posts	i personally think that some people just plain have to much time to waste __________________ Corporate League Baseball is back! teams avail! "Toleration is not the opposite of intolerance but the counterfeit of it. Both are despotisms: the one assumes to itself the right of withholding liberty of conscience, the other of granting it." (Thomas Paine, The Rights of Man, p. 58. "When school children start paying union dues, that's when I'll start representing the interests of school children." -Albert Shanker, President, American Federation of Teachers

10-30-2003, 09:33 PM	#20 (permalink)
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 10,453 Thanks: 2 Thanked 49x in 40 posts	I agree completely with SoxWin on this. Mfitterer1's problems these days are no longer about cheating, but trolling. Some people's enthusiasm on taunting/teasing him also didn't help. Isn't it just the norm of all prosperous forums? __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

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