A unique league - playing baseball history in reverse

legendsport · 09-14-2004, 02:01 PM

Announcing Mirror Image Baseball, a unique OOTP 6 league.

MIB is a historical hybrid league, doing the following: taking the players of the years 1901-2003 and flipping their careers and then translating them so that the players in 2003 will play in 1901 with their careers unfolding in reverse. This means that Barry Bonds is a young player with his whole career ahead of him while Miguel Cabrera, Jose Reyes, etc are veterans in the twilights of their careers. Oh, yeah- and Bonds et al are playing in the Dead-ball era.

This league was discussed to a great extent in thread below: What type of league would you enjoy most?

Some of the important facts about MIB:
No finances - we use a "point" system
No Draft - points are spent on scouting which will procure players for each team
There are four leagues - the American and National in the Major Leagues and the International and Pacific Coast in the Independent Alliance
GMs can own a team in both the Majors and the Alliance (but can't trade with their own team)
Real Markets, fictional teams, fictional stadiums
No coaches or scouts

We will vote on using either a 2-8 scale or none for talent and ratings.

If you're interested in the league, please email me at commish@legendsport.com

Thanks!
Joe

Jeremy Weimer · 09-14-2004, 07:11 PM

Sign up people.

legendsport · 09-14-2004, 07:37 PM

OK - so far we've placed two teams in New York (1 AL, 1 NL) and a team in St. Louis - Major Leagues. In the Independent Alliance we've placed a team in Jersey City (IL) and a team in Oakland (PCL).

Keep them sign-ups coming....

legendsport · 09-14-2004, 07:54 PM

Another update - Chicago AL and San Francisco PCL added, so the lineup is now:

AL - New York, Chicago
NL - New York, St. Louis
PCL - Oakland, San Francisco
IL - Jersey City

BTW - there will be 8 teams in each league (AL, NL, PCL and IL) and with 2 New Yorks taken 1 more team can be placed there (but must play in Brooklyn).

metsgeek · 09-15-2004, 12:39 AM

This league promises to be Joe's Masterpiece! I'm drooling on my keyboard

Watch out for the New York Metropolitans!

Jeremy Weimer · 09-15-2004, 12:41 AM

San Francisco Seals all the way.

legendsport · 09-15-2004, 07:14 AM

One other feature of the league (not mentioned in rules yet, I will get it in there sometime today) is stadium building - you'll be designing (and maintaining) your yards. I want the league to have the best of a fictional league feel - your own team names, stadiums, etc - but have the historical feel in that you'll be using real players (only their careers are backward and guys like Ty Cobb won't come into the league until the 1980s).

Another team lineup update:

AL - New York, Chicago, Boston
NL - New York, St. Louis
PCL - Oakland, San Francisco
IL - Jersey City, Toronto

Still 11 slots open....

Tauro · 09-15-2004, 09:44 AM

I would LOVE to join this league. Do you have own OOTP6? I plan on buying it soon, but still plugging away with OOTP4.

If you don't have to own it right away, sign me up.

Chris

legendsport · 09-15-2004, 10:31 AM

We'll work something out. I don't want to turn anyone away - especially someone as enthusiastic as you seem to be.

Tauro · 09-15-2004, 11:25 AM

Great stuff... Looking forward to getting the first season started!

legendsport · 09-15-2004, 05:01 PM

We're getting there, slow & steady wins the race, I guess. 10 more slots to fill...

And1pg2 · 09-15-2004, 05:19 PM

I defentily wanna join do you have AIM I would like to ask a couple questions.

legendsport · 09-15-2004, 05:35 PM

Yep, I have AIM - my handle is legendsport

metsgeek · 09-15-2004, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by legendsport

We're getting there, slow & steady wins the race, I guess. 10 more slots to fill...

10 slots? Are there 13 owners that haven't chosen cities yet? We're still planning on AL, NL, PL and IL with 8 teams each, right?

legendsport · 09-15-2004, 07:01 PM

Latest update - 7 sign-ups, 9 slots left.

We've got:

AL - New York, Chicago, Boston, Cleveland
NL - New York, St. Louis, Philadelphia
PCL - Oakland, San Francisco
IL - Jersey City, Toronto, Syracuse, Hamilton

We're missing the IA team for one GM.

I've also posted the OOTP pages so guys can see the players. It's still in the traditional MLB format (the "real" teams haven't been deleted yet, so if you want to see Bonds, go to SF - if you want to see Clemens, go to NYY - this is based on 2003).

http://legendsport.com/baseball/mib/site

Hopefully the ability to see the players' ratings and such will help spur some interest in the league...

Jeremy Weimer · 09-15-2004, 07:25 PM

Man that's weird viewing the players and seeing guys like Greg Maddux in their mid 20's and guys like Johan Santana like 40 years old. That's gonna take some getting used to.

legendsport · 09-15-2004, 07:31 PM

Believe it or not it was tough to flip their ages too because of the really, really oldsters like Julio Franco and Rickey Henderson - on my first try they came in as 15 year olds. Obviously I had to tweak my formula - now they're 17 - still very young, but not ridiculously so (Bob Feller debuted at 17 and was, to say the least, successful at that tender age).

rem · 09-15-2004, 07:34 PM

Wow. Very werid but a good werid.

legendsport · 09-15-2004, 07:38 PM

One minor disclaimer on the player pages: I haven't yet fixed the names (Paul Lo Duca instead of Lo duca for example) and will need to tweak some of the ratings (not many of them), but I plan on doing this as we go through the draft.

I'm glad the players are generating some interest - they're the unique part of this league after all...

Jeremy Weimer · 09-15-2004, 08:55 PM

I'm just trying to get us owners.

09-14-2004, 02:01 PM	#1 (permalink)
legendsport Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Behind The Lens Posts: 2,158 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8x in 8 posts	A unique league - playing baseball history in reverse Announcing Mirror Image Baseball, a unique OOTP 6 league. MIB is a historical hybrid league, doing the following: taking the players of the years 1901-2003 and flipping their careers and then translating them so that the players in 2003 will play in 1901 with their careers unfolding in reverse. This means that Barry Bonds is a young player with his whole career ahead of him while Miguel Cabrera, Jose Reyes, etc are veterans in the twilights of their careers. Oh, yeah- and Bonds et al are playing in the Dead-ball era. This league was discussed to a great extent in thread below: What type of league would you enjoy most? Some of the important facts about MIB: No finances - we use a "point" system No Draft - points are spent on scouting which will procure players for each team There are four leagues - the American and National in the Major Leagues and the International and Pacific Coast in the Independent Alliance GMs can own a team in both the Majors and the Alliance (but can't trade with their own team) Real Markets, fictional teams, fictional stadiums No coaches or scouts We will vote on using either a 2-8 scale or none for talent and ratings. If you're interested in the league, please email me at commish@legendsport.com Thanks! Joe __________________ The Baseball Chronicle - Swinging thru History! The Football Chronicle - Hitting Hard Historically (PFS - 1962) Alternate Universe Football (FOF - 1994)

09-14-2004, 07:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
legendsport Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Behind The Lens Posts: 2,158 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8x in 8 posts	OK - so far we've placed two teams in New York (1 AL, 1 NL) and a team in St. Louis - Major Leagues. In the Independent Alliance we've placed a team in Jersey City (IL) and a team in Oakland (PCL). Keep them sign-ups coming.... __________________ The Baseball Chronicle - Swinging thru History! The Football Chronicle - Hitting Hard Historically (PFS - 1962) Alternate Universe Football (FOF - 1994)

09-14-2004, 07:54 PM	#4 (permalink)
legendsport Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Behind The Lens Posts: 2,158 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8x in 8 posts	Another update - Chicago AL and San Francisco PCL added, so the lineup is now: AL - New York, Chicago NL - New York, St. Louis PCL - Oakland, San Francisco IL - Jersey City BTW - there will be 8 teams in each league (AL, NL, PCL and IL) and with 2 New Yorks taken 1 more team can be placed there (but must play in Brooklyn). __________________ The Baseball Chronicle - Swinging thru History! The Football Chronicle - Hitting Hard Historically (PFS - 1962) Alternate Universe Football (FOF - 1994)

09-15-2004, 12:39 AM	#5 (permalink)
metsgeek Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Norwood, MA Posts: 5,450 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2x in 2 posts	This league promises to be Joe's Masterpiece! I'm drooling on my keyboard Watch out for the New York Metropolitans! __________________ Commissioner - PBRL - Just finished 2009 109 seasons and still running strong!!!

09-15-2004, 07:14 AM	#7 (permalink)
legendsport Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Behind The Lens Posts: 2,158 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8x in 8 posts	One other feature of the league (not mentioned in rules yet, I will get it in there sometime today) is stadium building - you'll be designing (and maintaining) your yards. I want the league to have the best of a fictional league feel - your own team names, stadiums, etc - but have the historical feel in that you'll be using real players (only their careers are backward and guys like Ty Cobb won't come into the league until the 1980s). Another team lineup update: AL - New York, Chicago, Boston NL - New York, St. Louis PCL - Oakland, San Francisco IL - Jersey City, Toronto Still 11 slots open.... __________________ The Baseball Chronicle - Swinging thru History! The Football Chronicle - Hitting Hard Historically (PFS - 1962) Alternate Universe Football (FOF - 1994)

09-14-2004, 07:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Mounds View, MN Posts: 3,376 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4x in 2 posts	Sign up people.

09-15-2004, 12:41 AM	#6 (permalink)
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Mounds View, MN Posts: 3,376 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4x in 2 posts	San Francisco Seals all the way.

09-15-2004, 09:44 AM	#8 (permalink)
Tauro Minors (Single A) Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 92 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	I would LOVE to join this league. Do you have own OOTP6? I plan on buying it soon, but still plugging away with OOTP4. If you don't have to own it right away, sign me up. Chris

09-15-2004, 10:31 AM	#9 (permalink)
legendsport Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Behind The Lens Posts: 2,158 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8x in 8 posts	We'll work something out. I don't want to turn anyone away - especially someone as enthusiastic as you seem to be. __________________ The Baseball Chronicle - Swinging thru History! The Football Chronicle - Hitting Hard Historically (PFS - 1962) Alternate Universe Football (FOF - 1994)

09-15-2004, 11:25 AM	#10 (permalink)
Tauro Minors (Single A) Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 92 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Great stuff... Looking forward to getting the first season started!

09-15-2004, 05:01 PM	#11 (permalink)
legendsport Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Behind The Lens Posts: 2,158 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8x in 8 posts	We're getting there, slow & steady wins the race, I guess. 10 more slots to fill... __________________ The Baseball Chronicle - Swinging thru History! The Football Chronicle - Hitting Hard Historically (PFS - 1962) Alternate Universe Football (FOF - 1994)

09-15-2004, 05:19 PM	#12 (permalink)
And1pg2 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 907 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	I defentily wanna join do you have AIM I would like to ask a couple questions.

09-15-2004, 05:35 PM	#13 (permalink)
legendsport Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Behind The Lens Posts: 2,158 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8x in 8 posts	Yep, I have AIM - my handle is legendsport __________________ The Baseball Chronicle - Swinging thru History! The Football Chronicle - Hitting Hard Historically (PFS - 1962) Alternate Universe Football (FOF - 1994)

09-15-2004, 07:01 PM	#15 (permalink)
legendsport Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Behind The Lens Posts: 2,158 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8x in 8 posts	Latest update - 7 sign-ups, 9 slots left. We've got: AL - New York, Chicago, Boston, Cleveland NL - New York, St. Louis, Philadelphia PCL - Oakland, San Francisco IL - Jersey City, Toronto, Syracuse, Hamilton We're missing the IA team for one GM. I've also posted the OOTP pages so guys can see the players. It's still in the traditional MLB format (the "real" teams haven't been deleted yet, so if you want to see Bonds, go to SF - if you want to see Clemens, go to NYY - this is based on 2003). http://legendsport.com/baseball/mib/site Hopefully the ability to see the players' ratings and such will help spur some interest in the league... __________________ The Baseball Chronicle - Swinging thru History! The Football Chronicle - Hitting Hard Historically (PFS - 1962) Alternate Universe Football (FOF - 1994)

09-15-2004, 07:25 PM	#16 (permalink)
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Mounds View, MN Posts: 3,376 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4x in 2 posts	Man that's weird viewing the players and seeing guys like Greg Maddux in their mid 20's and guys like Johan Santana like 40 years old. That's gonna take some getting used to.

09-15-2004, 07:34 PM	#18 (permalink)
rem Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, Md. Posts: 4,998 Thanks: 7 Thanked 7x in 5 posts	Wow. Very werid but a good werid. __________________ Born To Play: Commissioner, Baltimore Orioles GM MLB 93: Baltimore Orioles OTBA: Washington Filibusters 2005 Winner of LL's Pick the Loser Contest! - 15-0

09-15-2004, 07:31 PM	#17 (permalink)
legendsport Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Behind The Lens Posts: 2,158 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8x in 8 posts	Believe it or not it was tough to flip their ages too because of the really, really oldsters like Julio Franco and Rickey Henderson - on my first try they came in as 15 year olds. Obviously I had to tweak my formula - now they're 17 - still very young, but not ridiculously so (Bob Feller debuted at 17 and was, to say the least, successful at that tender age). __________________ The Baseball Chronicle - Swinging thru History! The Football Chronicle - Hitting Hard Historically (PFS - 1962) Alternate Universe Football (FOF - 1994)

09-15-2004, 07:38 PM	#19 (permalink)
legendsport Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Behind The Lens Posts: 2,158 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8x in 8 posts	One minor disclaimer on the player pages: I haven't yet fixed the names (Paul Lo Duca instead of Lo duca for example) and will need to tweak some of the ratings (not many of them), but I plan on doing this as we go through the draft. I'm glad the players are generating some interest - they're the unique part of this league after all... __________________ The Baseball Chronicle - Swinging thru History! The Football Chronicle - Hitting Hard Historically (PFS - 1962) Alternate Universe Football (FOF - 1994)

09-15-2004, 08:55 PM	#20 (permalink)
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Mounds View, MN Posts: 3,376 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4x in 2 posts	I'm just trying to get us owners.

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