Kicked out Part II

[SoxWin]

Originally Posted by rewc27

He could have taken the high road and just moved on and joined one of several other leagues available, but he chose to make this public.

Why on Earth should he take the high road when people are allegedly calling him incompetent and you're smearing his name? Who thinks this is such a bad deal? Not many people according to your board. Maybe you should have taken the high road and talked to him rather then power tripping and giving him the boot.

And again, if you see these trades as bad, you're the incompetent one, not the ex Yanks owner.

[STLFAN2003]

Originally Posted by rewc27

Wow quite a statement. Why don't you make informed decisions before making statements like that. That is a personal and uncalled for attack. I have 29 other happy GM's in my league. They have not been censored and not post other than the trades have been removed. Please don't make these slanderous kind of statements against people without knowing the facts. My GMs know me and think I run a very fair league. I'm sorry that you look at the board and in 5 minutes paint me as some kind of tyrant. I run two leagues and use to co commish a 3rd. Most of my GMs have been in all three leagues with me, so I guess I must be doing something wright. I will not post here again with the likes of know it all slanderous and irresponsible remarks made be Eckstein. I am too good for that and my league is too good for that. You Eckstein better be careful before making these kind of snap judgements.

that is by no means slanderous. He read the posts on that board, he's read the posts on this board, he's read the emails. He knows as much as I do and I was in the league.

His conclusion was justified

You can keep coming back here responding by calling me a incompetent Yankees Horse but all you say is that is was in the best interest of the league. You have not said why its in the best interest and why these trades are bad and you have not said anything about the people who agree with you.

And no, as the facts have presented themselves, you are not a better person, and that is not a better league.

And was that last statement a threat to Eckstein4Prez?


most of the memebers in the league probably dont know what has happenend because they dont check in reguarly. Post this link on your message board so the GMs can know what they want to know

[DaveHorn]

Originally Posted by rewc27

This horse has already been made into dogfood and glue and yet people still want to kick it. Whatever. We made the decision that was deemed in the best interest in the league. If you dissagree, fine don't join my league. Let Andrew into your league. The fact that he wont let this go just confirms that we made a good decision. He has acted immature. He could have taken the high road and just moved on and joined one of several other leagues available, but he chose to make this public. I guess maybe we do hold our GM's to a higher standard than most. I don't think that is a bad thing. If you do, start your own league and have a great time. I hope you get 30 gm's like Andrew. Have a blast. I know what my GMs expect of me and their fellow GMs. All that I did was upheld the standards everyone has gotten use to. If that is a bad thing, I am sorry.

I agree it would be best for Andrew to move on now that he has said his peace and got some form of confirmation that indeed he isn't crazy, his trades were fine, and that perhaps his old league is somewhat questionable.

But I see nothing wrong with his initial reaction of coming to this board and looking for opinions of others. He did so in a mature way and I can't recall reading any mud thrown at your league either.

You keep justifying the boot by talking about standards in your league. What standards are these? That the Yankee GM needs to behave like an idiot and make moves in the mold of Steinbrenner? Or the GM needs to make competent trades? Looks like the former to me, which isn't a standard.

You can't kick someone out for making reasonable trades and not expect them to come to this forum looking for redemption. After all, this forum is the judge, jury, and executioner for online leagues.

[SoxWin]

Originally Posted by rewc27

You Eckstein better be careful before making these kind of snap judgements.

Nice threat. Reported.

[STLFAN2003]

ha, I did the same thing

[Dagrims]

Here's what I see as the major problem: the commissioner of the league, in response to the original post, took the bait on the forums and spoke negatively about the owner. While I personally don't see the reason for the league's uproar over the trades, or for the dismissal of the owner, it is the prerogative of the commissioner to dismiss an owner. A simple response note here on the forum like:

I am the commissioner of the league in question. This was a difficult decision that was made for what we felt was the good of the league, and I attempted to deal with it in the privacy of our own league forum and emails. The owner made it a public event by posting here, and I'd rather not air this dirty laundry in front of all of these readers, who will not get the entire, unbiased story from any one source. Please feel free to PM me or post on our league board if you have questions about this topic, but I'm not going to discuss it further here. Thanks.

would have prevented this situation from turning into a complete circus where both sides wind up having to defend themselves from posters who never would have even noticed this league otherwise. Everyone loves to get in everyone else's business. The original poster knew this, the commissioner should have known it. It's like France and Canada complaining about who the United States elected to lead its country, except that in this case what the league does has absolutely zero effect on the lives of any posters who aren't owners in the league.

[Eckstein 4 Prez]

Originally Posted by SoxWin

Nice threat. Reported.

Gimme a break guys. While I don't think much of the guy as a commish, that was obviously not a threat.


Actually, let me make sure I make it home tonight first and then I'll decide on that.... Seriously, it's nothing personal and not worth reporting.

[STLFAN2003]

are there any more posts on the message board?

rewc27, tell people who were for my removal to email me or post here.

[wireman]

The commish of this league keeps referring to his 29 satisfied GMs, and how he must be doing OK because they all approve of things.

So, naturally, I keep expecting these 29 happy GMs to descend upon this thread to "testify." If I knew somebody was badmouthing the LBA on this board, I'd be posting here to tell them how wrong they were.

That having been said, neither the commish nor the GMs have any obligation to explain things to us. It's their business.

Still, I'm curious what they would have to say...

[MogulChamp]

I guess I will add my opinion to the fracas.

Personally, from looking at everything as an outside observer I feel that STLFAN has been unfairly removed from the league. Nothing about those trades looks bad, the Colon trade was actually a good trade. If I was treated this way I would be happy to leave the league. I am not sure how long you were in the league but it does take a lot of work to build the team in your image and then to have all that work (and time) thrown away because someone doesn't like the way you are running things, personally I would be complaining too.

One thing that Commisioners have to be on the lookout for is; owners ruining a team intentionally and then quitting, or maybe 2 teams run by the same owner and making unfair trades. Niether of these seems to be the case in this situation. It seems that the commish wants you (and maybe everyone else) to run teams the way he wants them run, or the way he envisions them. Not the way the GM's want to run the team. I wonder if the Montreal GM started loading up on high priced veterans, if he would be removed too?

In any event, it's probably for the best you aren't in the league anymore, especially if you put even more time into it. If I were a league commish I would want you in my league, I like creative approaches to things.

[Ktulu]

Why are these trades "ban worthy" let alone bad trades?

The question keeps getting dodged.