Kicked out Part II

[Jestre]

I dont know why the "kicked out of the league" thread was closed but I would have to agree with Jeremy and Dean, of those three trades at least 2 of them were beneficial to the Yanks, not grounds for dismissal... Dumping old guys who are grotesquely overpaid is not incompetent. If these are grounds for dismissal then every owner that dumps veterans for draft picks to rebuild is then in jeopardy of being dismissed... Seems a bit extreme to me.

[rem]

Maybe I missed something, but the termination e-mail lists four trades while only three are being discussed.

[DaveHorn]

Either I missed something or we've got a mod on a power trip. That closed thread was one of the most sane and non-personal 5+ page debates we've had around here in ages.

[Ktulu]

Not to mention entertaining

[STLFAN2003]

would one of you go to their message board and see what the commish has posted and how the GM's have responded and post back here because I cant access it

Remangii, I only made 3 trades, but four of those are bad to him


Confusing to me

[atarizx3]

hmm...looks like the Boston GM had no prob with the trades...

http://umbl.proboards1.com/index.cgi...num=1101263515

[STLFAN2003]

can you copy-paste it because I cant view it because I'm banned.

[atarizx3]

dola,


this is quite an interesting situation all around though...

highly entertaining pre-Thanksgiving topic

[rewc27]

This horse has already been made into dogfood and glue and yet people still want to kick it. Whatever. We made the decision that was deemed in the best interest in the league. If you dissagree, fine don't join my league. Let Andrew into your league. The fact that he wont let this go just confirms that we made a good decision. He has acted immature. He could have taken the high road and just moved on and joined one of several other leagues available, but he chose to make this public. I guess maybe we do hold our GM's to a higher standard than most. I don't think that is a bad thing. If you do, start your own league and have a great time. I hope you get 30 gm's like Andrew. Have a blast. I know what my GMs expect of me and their fellow GMs. All that I did was upheld the standards everyone has gotten use to. If that is a bad thing, I am sorry.

[rem]

Originally Posted by atarizx3

hmm...looks like the Boston GM had no prob with the trades...

http://umbl.proboards1.com/index.cgi...num=1101263515

Well, of course the Boston GM would be fine with the trades.

[atarizx3]

Originally Posted by STLFAN2003

can you copy-paste it because I cant view it because I'm banned.

um, it's a bit long but here's Boston's first post:







How do we know if were doing a bad trade or not here? and how do we know if were going to get a backlash from the commish for making trades that are not to his taste? With the star ratings turned off it makes it a bit harder to judge a trade since the star rating is a comparison to the current talent in the league. I still dont understand the reason for turning them off. It is part of the game why not have it on.

Anyhow, I never got any email asking about the trades the yankees made and how I thought about it. My thoughts are that if the trades were so bad that the trades should of been cancelled and the GM given a warning explaining what he is doing to the league and why the trades were cancelled. Also all trades are posted all the commish needs to do is reply to the trade saying DISAPROVED!! and a reason why.

My thoughts on this matter. take it or leave it.

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[rem]

Originally Posted by rewc27

This horse has already been made into dogfood and glue and yet people still want to kick it. Whatever. We made the decision that was deemed in the best interest in the league. If you dissagree, fine don't join my league. Let Andrew into your league. The fact that he wont let this go just confirms that we made a good decision. He has acted immature. He could have taken the high road and just moved on and joined one of several other leagues available, but he chose to make this public. I guess maybe we do hold our GM's to a higher standard than most. I don't think that is a bad thing. If you do, start your own league and have a great time. I hope you get 30 gm's like Andrew. Have a blast. I know what my GMs expect of me and their fellow GMs. All that I did was upheld the standards everyone has gotten use to. If that is a bad thing, I am sorry.

Why did you mention four trades in your email but only three are being discussed?

[STLFAN2003]

but he chose to make this public

you didnt leave me much of a choice after not answering my questions and banning me from the forum


and can I have more post from that forum please, if anyone has the time

thanks

[rewc27]

I made a mistake and typed 4 instead of 3. Sorry for the mistake.

[STLFAN2003]

actually you typed 2 and 2 and said four, but never 4. Please answer my questions on why each individual trade was wrong

[canadiancreed]

this is the song, i mean topic, that will never end......

[Eckstein 4 Prez]

Not only was the Boston GM fine with it, but at least one other GM (Toronto I think) said the punishment seemed "harsh." Also, the Twins GM questioned it as well, but said he supported the removal if the GM in question had said negative things about the league on these boards.

Of course the commish immediately responded with "he did." Of course, he definitely did, but as far as I can see all of that happened after he was removed. So how can it be used as a justification for his removal?

Meanwhile, no owners other than the Mariners GM have said anything about wanting the guy removed.

So far, I've seen a gung-ho commish, one owner who's after blood, and several who are saying, "wow, I kinda questioned the trades but this guy seemed to be really enjoying the league." This league looks more and more like bad news. Sorry for the owners who don't want a heavy hand looming over them.

[hays23]

the commish of this league has repeatedly said that he had to kick the guy out because everybody was complaining and it wasnt good for his league to let an incompetent owner ruin a team....what he has not done to this point is tell us WHY these trades are bad for new york. im still waiting on that. until he comes up with something good(and im pretty sure he wont be able to), i would avoid his league at all costs and would advise others to do the same. nothing like spending time trying to build a winner and then getting kicked out because you're smarter than the other owners.

[STLFAN2003]

it seems like the commish saying he doesnt want to give out the names of the team complaining because they dont exsist besides his co-commish and Mariners,

[rewc27]

Originally Posted by Eckstein 4 Prez

Not only was the Boston GM fine with it, but at least one other GM (Toronto I think) said the punishment seemed "harsh." Also, the Twins GM questioned it as well, but said he supported the removal if the GM in question had said negative things about the league on these boards.

Of course the commish immediately responded with "he did." Of course, he definitely did, but as far as I can see all of that happened after he was removed. So how can it be used as a justification for his removal?

Meanwhile, no owners other than the Mariners GM have said anything about wanting the guy removed.

So far, I've seen a gung-ho commish, one owner who's after blood, and several who are saying, "wow, I kinda questioned the trades but this guy seemed to be really enjoying the league." This league looks more and more like bad news. Sorry for the owners who don't want a heavy hand looming over them.

Wow quite a statement. Why don't you make informed decisions before making statements like that. That is a personal and uncalled for attack. I have 29 other happy GM's in my league. They have not one has been censored and not post other than the trades have been removed. Please don't make these slanderous kind of statements against people without knowing the facts. My GMs know me and think I run a very fair league. I'm sorry that you look at the board and in 5 minutes paint me as some kind of tyrant. I run two leagues and use to co commish a 3rd. Most of my GMs have been in all three leagues with me, so I guess I must be doing something wright. I will not post here again with the likes of know it all slanderous and irresponsible remarks made be Eckstein. I am too good for that and my league is too good for that. You Eckstein better be careful before making these kind of snap judgements.