Bugs in OOTP5 to fix in next ver.

Dreifort · 12-15-2003, 05:04 PM

From playing the game for a year now, here are the minor bugs I have found in the AI/game play.

If its close in a game in late innings (6th and on), if your opponent is going to score...2 things will happen:

1. one of the opposition's batters will hit a homer. the very next batter will then homer also (75% of the time).

2. your relief pitcher on 2 days rest who just ko'd the opposition #4 hitter will suddenly walk 2 batters and he hits 2 batter with a few singles mixed in. Next thing you know, bases loaded and they scored a few runs.

i can understand a walked batter every now and then? but to totally loose control? 2-3 walks and a 2 or more hit batsmen? all in same inning? lol... gets old after awhile.

and the back-to-back homers happens fairly regularly. like I said 3 outta four times the opposition hits a homerun after the 6th, its likely to be followed by the very next batter leaving yard.

otherwise great game.

ey215 · 12-15-2003, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dreifort
From playing the game for a year now, here are the minor bugs I have found in the AI/game play.

If its close in a game in late innings (6th and on), if your opponent is going to score...2 things will happen:

1. one of the opposition's batters will hit a homer. the very next batter will then homer also (75% of the time).

2. your relief pitcher on 2 days rest who just ko'd the opposition #4 hitter will suddenly walk 2 batters and he hits 2 batter with a few singles mixed in. Next thing you know, bases loaded and they scored a few runs.

i can understand a walked batter every now and then? but to totally loose control? 2-3 walks and a 2 or more hit batsmen? all in same inning? lol... gets old after awhile.

and the back-to-back homers happens fairly regularly. like I said 3 outta four times the opposition hits a homerun after the 6th, its likely to be followed by the very next batter leaving yard.

otherwise great game.

You know I wasn't going to dignify this with a response, but I just couldn't stop myself. There is no comeback code written into the game. The result of each batter is calculated each time. There is no set result already calculated for the inning at the beginning of the inning. I have two suggestions for you:

Get better pitching.
When your reliever starts to suck, pull him.

Gastric ReFlux · 12-15-2003, 05:16 PM

This is funny.

eriqjaffe · 12-16-2003, 12:40 AM

This is funny.

THIS IS FUNNY BACK-TO-BACK!

DiMaggio5CF · 12-16-2003, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by eriqjaffe
THIS IS FUNNY BACK-TO-BACK!

This happens 75% of the time after the first reply.

Dreifort · 12-16-2003, 05:13 PM

it's not really a bug as it is predictable and annoying.

c'mon...12 mos playing and I can predict that 75% of opposition homeruns will be followed by another one.

case in pt. I created Eric Gagne. Made him unhittable. His first game i inserted him. He gives up 3 hits and 2 runs and looses. So much for his GREAT clutch performance.

the game is predictable as far as comebacks, IF they are going to happen, doesn't matter if you have Pedro Martinez or Curt Schilling on the mound....if the game decides that the team should have a comeback - it will happen no matter who's pitching. All the software knows is Pitcher for Team B is going to give up runs to Batters on Team A.

Yes, there is comeback code....and as 110% of most programs, it's random...but it's there.

Steve Kuffrey · 12-16-2003, 05:37 PM

Eckstein 4 Prez · 12-17-2003, 01:13 PM

Are you sure it's your copy of OOTP5 and not your version of Windows?

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but some versions of Win ME and Win 2000 have a minor bug - where if they're not happy with their owner, they will cause all "random" numbers to be generated to the detriment of the owner. This could be why you're seeing so many comebacks against your team.

My suggestion would be to try one of two things: either try to download the patch from Microsoft's website, or make sure you always speak to your computer in soft, soothing tones and buy it some other small appliances for companionship.

Kezzek · 12-17-2003, 01:15 PM

This thread has the potential to be the Greatest Thread of All Time(tm)!

We just need Dreifort to stick around and lose his cool.

Aside to Dreifort: There have been people who are much smarter, much more diligent, and much more programming savvy than you or myself that have been playing OOTP versions for a much longer time. They have shown/proven that OOTP does not have ANY of the tendencies that you've described above. Your sample size and anecdotal evidence pale in comparison to the great amounts of actual research put into this game.

Plus Markus is a cool guy and he does a great job keep up the great work!

AnotherAlias · 12-17-2003, 01:18 PM

It's funny alright.

I am the KING of comeback code complaints. In the past I've complained about comeback codes in Triple Play, High heat, Madden Football, NBA Live, and NHL Live (there are a few others), and OOTP baseball is the first game I've noticed NO COMEBACK CODE whatsoever.

It's insulting, actually. I've gone and made a name for myself as King Complainer, and in OOTP, I have NOTHING to complain about, as far as comebacks. It sucks. I feel useless, around here, because of it.

I'm hoping, ITP has a comeback code, just so I can climb upon my throne once more and bellow out to all the world about anothercomeback code.

Sadly, I don't think it'll happen.

jgross68 · 12-17-2003, 01:22 PM

D00d, you have no idea. You should try playing in an online league where the commish cheats on top of the comeback logic you've pointed out above. It's just not fair! For example, in the obtl, we have a guy whom we'll call "TrannyMillo." He wins over 70% of his games because he includes these secret cheat codes with his lineup exports. And then, if you're lucky enough to take a lead into the late innings against him - whammo! Back-to-back dingers against your best closer, exactly like you described! It's enough to make you want to chuck it all and go back to Strat-o-Matic.

Gastric ReFlux · 12-17-2003, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dreifort
it's not really a bug as it is predictable and annoying.

c'mon...12 mos playing and I can predict that 75% of opposition homeruns will be followed by another one.

case in pt. I created Eric Gagne. Made him unhittable. His first game i inserted him. He gives up 3 hits and 2 runs and looses. So much for his GREAT clutch performance.

the game is predictable as far as comebacks, IF they are going to happen, doesn't matter if you have Pedro Martinez or Curt Schilling on the mound....if the game decides that the team should have a comeback - it will happen no matter who's pitching. All the software knows is Pitcher for Team B is going to give up runs to Batters on Team A.

Yes, there is comeback code....and as 110% of most programs, it's random...but it's there.

OOTP doesn't know names, it only knows numbers.

ctorg · 12-17-2003, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DiMaggio5CF
This happens 75% of the time after the first reply.

I wish I had that On the Board alias to put this and the previous post on the board with.

jgross68 · 12-17-2003, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gastric ReFlux
OOTP doesn't know names, it only knows numbers.

That's exactly what 'they' want you to believe!

Rizon · 12-17-2003, 01:40 PM

You know what, I first saw the Comeback Code in Leisure Suit Larry III.

eriqjaffe · 12-17-2003, 01:44 PM

Wow! I'm on the board!

And it's not even in OT!

LivnLegend · 12-17-2003, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by eriqjaffe
Wow! I'm on the board!

And it's not even in OT!

An "OTB" and a "Rack" on the same day?! You are on a roll!

eriqjaffe · 12-17-2003, 02:34 PM

And...both of them are my first.

It's Christmas come early!

Hammer755 · 12-17-2003, 02:49 PM

I think I spotted the problem. It's not Gagne, but your statistical representation of Gagne. You need to tweak one of his secondary ratings just a bit. I won't tell you which one, I think you'll be able to figure it out, but it will make all the difference in the world, in both his and his team's performance.

LivnLegend · 12-17-2003, 02:52 PM

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Classic post of the day right there. I'll not give it away to those who are not observant

12-15-2003, 05:04 PM	#1 (permalink)
Dreifort Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 9	Bugs in OOTP5 to fix in next ver. From playing the game for a year now, here are the minor bugs I have found in the AI/game play. If its close in a game in late innings (6th and on), if your opponent is going to score...2 things will happen: 1. one of the opposition's batters will hit a homer. the very next batter will then homer also (75% of the time). 2. your relief pitcher on 2 days rest who just ko'd the opposition #4 hitter will suddenly walk 2 batters and he hits 2 batter with a few singles mixed in. Next thing you know, bases loaded and they scored a few runs. i can understand a walked batter every now and then? but to totally loose control? 2-3 walks and a 2 or more hit batsmen? all in same inning? lol... gets old after awhile. and the back-to-back homers happens fairly regularly. like I said 3 outta four times the opposition hits a homerun after the 6th, its likely to be followed by the very next batter leaving yard. otherwise great game.

12-16-2003, 05:13 PM	#6 (permalink)
Dreifort Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 9	it's not really a bug as it is predictable and annoying. c'mon...12 mos playing and I can predict that 75% of opposition homeruns will be followed by another one. case in pt. I created Eric Gagne. Made him unhittable. His first game i inserted him. He gives up 3 hits and 2 runs and looses. So much for his GREAT clutch performance. the game is predictable as far as comebacks, IF they are going to happen, doesn't matter if you have Pedro Martinez or Curt Schilling on the mound....if the game decides that the team should have a comeback - it will happen no matter who's pitching. All the software knows is Pitcher for Team B is going to give up runs to Batters on Team A. Yes, there is comeback code....and as 110% of most programs, it's random...but it's there. Last edited by Dreifort : 12-16-2003 at 05:19 PM.

12-16-2003, 05:37 PM	#7 (permalink)
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 16,908	__________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays No longer an active league.

12-17-2003, 01:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 5,184	Are you sure it's your copy of OOTP5 and not your version of Windows? I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but some versions of Win ME and Win 2000 have a minor bug - where if they're not happy with their owner, they will cause all "random" numbers to be generated to the detriment of the owner. This could be why you're seeing so many comebacks against your team. My suggestion would be to try one of two things: either try to download the patch from Microsoft's website, or make sure you always speak to your computer in soft, soothing tones and buy it some other small appliances for companionship. __________________ A New League Begins - an exploration of 19th century base ball.

12-17-2003, 01:15 PM	#9 (permalink)
Kezzek All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Keyboard - frantically typing in subtle insults to raise my self-esteem Posts: 967	This thread has the potential to be the Greatest Thread of All Time(tm)! We just need Dreifort to stick around and lose his cool. Aside to Dreifort: There have been people who are much smarter, much more diligent, and much more programming savvy than you or myself that have been playing OOTP versions for a much longer time. They have shown/proven that OOTP does not have ANY of the tendencies that you've described above. Your sample size and anecdotal evidence pale in comparison to the great amounts of actual research put into this game. Plus Markus is a cool guy and he does a great job keep up the great work! __________________ - Kez, P.E.

12-15-2003, 05:16 PM	#3 (permalink)
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,334	This is funny.

12-17-2003, 01:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
AnotherAlias Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sydney, Australiar Posts: 3,524	It's funny alright. I am the KING of comeback code complaints. In the past I've complained about comeback codes in Triple Play, High heat, Madden Football, NBA Live, and NHL Live (there are a few others), and OOTP baseball is the first game I've noticed NO COMEBACK CODE whatsoever. It's insulting, actually. I've gone and made a name for myself as King Complainer, and in OOTP, I have NOTHING to complain about, as far as comebacks. It sucks. I feel useless, around here, because of it. I'm hoping, ITP has a comeback code, just so I can climb upon my throne once more and bellow out to all the world about anothercomeback code. Sadly, I don't think it'll happen. __________________ http://vasiliz.deviantart.com/ I've never had a bad day!!!

12-17-2003, 01:22 PM	#11 (permalink)
jgross68 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ....is everything! OTA: .882, Member #866 Posts: 690	D00d, you have no idea. You should try playing in an online league where the commish cheats on top of the comeback logic you've pointed out above. It's just not fair! For example, in the obtl, we have a guy whom we'll call "TrannyMillo." He wins over 70% of his games because he includes these secret cheat codes with his lineup exports. And then, if you're lucky enough to take a lead into the late innings against him - whammo! Back-to-back dingers against your best closer, exactly like you described! It's enough to make you want to chuck it all and go back to Strat-o-Matic.

12-17-2003, 01:40 PM	#15 (permalink)
Rizon All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Oakland, CA Tot.Posts: 10,050 Posts: 1,513	You know what, I first saw the Comeback Code in Leisure Suit Larry III. __________________ RIP: Off Topic 2001-2003

12-17-2003, 02:49 PM	#19 (permalink)
Hammer755 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston, TX Warnings: 11 Posts: 2,345	I think I spotted the problem. It's not Gagne, but your statistical representation of Gagne. You need to tweak one of his secondary ratings just a bit. I won't tell you which one, I think you'll be able to figure it out, but it will make all the difference in the world, in both his and his team's performance. Attached Images __________________

12-17-2003, 02:52 PM	#20 (permalink)
LivnLegend Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Hunters Ridge, CA Posts: 5,523	BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Classic post of the day right there. I'll not give it away to those who are not observant __________________ 1977 Dodgers MLB Replay - A replay of the '77 Dodger season, managing each game individually Pastoral Baseball Union - An 1800's Dynasty I'm going back to where I started. I'm flashing back into my pan.

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