Sac fly scoring

JML · 11-10-2002, 12:57 PM

Runner on third. A flyout scores the runner, but the OF makes a throwing error and the run is unearned, no RBI. Is this right? I would think you can't assume the runner would be thrown out, so it should be an RBI and an earned run.

Scott Vibert · 11-10-2002, 01:42 PM

The Throwing Error should only be scored an error if the OF had a chance to get the runner out. If the throw didn't matter to the result of the play it wouldn't be scored an error.

As a result if you assume that the play was properly scored a throwing error. Then the way that OOTP scored the run is correct.

The only thing you can't assume is a double play. But in order to score the error, a runner has to gain an extra base, or an out has to be lost to the fielding miscue (I.E. dropped foul ball errors). So in order for the throwing error to exist it would have had to give the runner the extra base, in this case home plate, meaning the run is unearned and scores on the error, no RBI.

JML · 11-10-2002, 01:47 PM

I see your point. I forgot to check the arm rating of the OF, but I guess it would be a judgment call IRL.

BTW, I won that game 10-5, on TEN unearned runs.

Scott Vibert · 11-10-2002, 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by JML
BTW, I won that game 10-5, on TEN unearned runs.

Sounds like its time for your opponent to issue his players some gloves.

JML · 11-10-2002, 06:25 PM

My question, then, is this: Does OOTP make the call, or will all sac fly + error situations have the same result? I haven't paid attention to this before. I guess I'll start doing so.

JML · 11-14-2002, 11:51 PM

BUMP.

Anybody seen a sac fly with a throwing error to the plate in which an RBI and earned run were credited?

Sudy Nym · 11-15-2002, 12:49 AM

EDIT: Er, wait... I just realized that this is a totally different situation than what you're describing, and an even stranger one. Sorry, I'm tired. ;P

I believe I have, but it's hard for me to remember the specifics. I was going to mention it way back when it happened, but I never got around to it. Basically, as I recall, I was playing as Toronto against the Mariners. It was a sacrifice fly situation, Delgado having been the player at the plate, who flied out to center (Ichiro). The runner at third scored, I believe it was Orlando Hudson, but I'm not absolutely sure. However, there was no error recorded on the play, and as you know, Ichiro does not have a weak arm. And the scoring runner was on third. However, no RBI, or sac fly, were credited to Delgado. Some of the specifics may not be correct, but I'm absolutely sure that there should have been an RBI awarded there, and it should not have counted as a plate appearance.

Scott Vibert · 11-15-2002, 09:44 AM

We'd need to know more of the specifics to really track down what happened here... if you still have the game log that would be a good way to track them down.

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JML Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The act or process of locating. Posts: 2,156 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Sac fly scoring oring Runner on third. A flyout scores the runner, but the OF makes a throwing error and the run is unearned, no RBI. Is this right? I would think you can't assume the runner would be thrown out, so it should be an RBI and an earned run. Last edited by JML; 11-12-2002 at 08:35 PM.

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11-10-2002, 01:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 7,551 Thanks: 72 Thanked 48x in 30 posts	The Throwing Error should only be scored an error if the OF had a chance to get the runner out. If the throw didn't matter to the result of the play it wouldn't be scored an error. As a result if you assume that the play was properly scored a throwing error. Then the way that OOTP scored the run is correct. The only thing you can't assume is a double play. But in order to score the error, a runner has to gain an extra base, or an out has to be lost to the fielding miscue (I.E. dropped foul ball errors). So in order for the throwing error to exist it would have had to give the runner the extra base, in this case home plate, meaning the run is unearned and scores on the error, no RBI.

11-10-2002, 01:47 PM	#3 (permalink)
JML Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The act or process of locating. Posts: 2,156 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	I see your point. I forgot to check the arm rating of the OF, but I guess it would be a judgment call IRL. BTW, I won that game 10-5, on TEN unearned runs.

11-10-2002, 06:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
JML Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The act or process of locating. Posts: 2,156 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	My question, then, is this: Does OOTP make the call, or will all sac fly + error situations have the same result? I haven't paid attention to this before. I guess I'll start doing so.

11-14-2002, 11:51 PM	#6 (permalink)
JML Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The act or process of locating. Posts: 2,156 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	BUMP. Anybody seen a sac fly with a throwing error to the plate in which an RBI and earned run were credited?

11-15-2002, 12:49 AM	#7 (permalink)
Sudy Nym Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Hill, ON Posts: 482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	EDIT: Er, wait... I just realized that this is a totally different situation than what you're describing, and an even stranger one. Sorry, I'm tired. ;P I believe I have, but it's hard for me to remember the specifics. I was going to mention it way back when it happened, but I never got around to it. Basically, as I recall, I was playing as Toronto against the Mariners. It was a sacrifice fly situation, Delgado having been the player at the plate, who flied out to center (Ichiro). The runner at third scored, I believe it was Orlando Hudson, but I'm not absolutely sure. However, there was no error recorded on the play, and as you know, Ichiro does not have a weak arm. And the scoring runner was on third. However, no RBI, or sac fly, were credited to Delgado. Some of the specifics may not be correct, but I'm absolutely sure that there should have been an RBI awarded there, and it should not have counted as a plate appearance.

11-15-2002, 09:44 AM	#8 (permalink)
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 7,551 Thanks: 72 Thanked 48x in 30 posts	We'd need to know more of the specifics to really track down what happened here... if you still have the game log that would be a good way to track them down.