Talent drop: no mention in reports?

Maple Leafs · 01-31-2003, 10:50 AM

Our online league has seen a player lose talent, with no mention in the Player Development report. There were no injuries or other unusual events with this player... he just lost talent somewhere along the way, with no notification. This has lead to debate over whether we should leave it as is or boost the player's talent back up.

Any idea what would cause this? Is it a known issue?

sporr · 01-31-2003, 11:58 AM

I have only seen this happen when I've made changes to a player's ratings -- sometimes the talent will change as well. I have never seen a case where a player lost talent and it wasn't in the reports.

Killebrew · 01-31-2003, 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by sporr
I have only seen this happen when I've made changes to a player's ratings -- sometimes the talent will change as well. I have never seen a case where a player lost talent and it wasn't in the reports.

Ditto what sporr said and I study player ratings & talents carefully in all my leagues. If this had ever happened on my teams I certainly would have noticed, I'd notice changes to stars and prospects on most of the other teams too.

Not saying this happened but resimming is another way for this type of player talent error to occur besides manually changing the ratings, at least it is if the resimmer was not careful about what files he backed up and/or overwrote. Resimming due to a crash might result in this type of error. I think the resimming angle could only apply to the Commish, I don't think regular GM lineup exports could import if there was resimming or "test-simming" going on before the roster export. This is a weird one, hopefully there are other idea's here too.

Maple Leafs · 01-31-2003, 02:27 PM

Interesting. So if the commish was simming and a player had a talent drop, and the game crashes, we could see a "phantom" talent drop as a result once the game was restored and eventually exported?

Kurtis R. · 01-31-2003, 02:34 PM

When did these talent drops occur? Beginning of a season? End? Mid-season?

EDIT: By beginning I mean 0 games played in the season.

Kurtis

sporr · 01-31-2003, 02:36 PM

This could happen as Killebrew stated depending on the text file that was overwritten or not overwritten. In this case, the text file that shows the talent drop would have been overwritten with one that had no such drop even though the player in the file shows the drop in question on their player card.

Maple Leafs · 01-31-2003, 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by sporr
This could happen as Killebrew stated depending on the text file that was overwritten or not overwritten. In this case, the text file that shows the talent drop would have been overwritten with one that had no such drop even though the player in the file shows the drop in question on their player card.

So which is wrong, the player card or the development report? As you'd expect, the GM who's player dropped would like to have his ratings restored.

Steve Kuffrey · 01-31-2003, 02:44 PM

If the drop happened then a crash and lost results, then re-sim and no drop IMO the "no drop" would have to be the correct one since there is not any easy way to restore lost results.

Maple Leafs · 01-31-2003, 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by Steve Kuffrey
If the drop happened then a crash and lost results, then re-sim and no drop IMO the "no drop" would have to be the correct one since there is not any easy way to restore lost results.

Right... anything that happened pre-crash couldn't be counted. But in the situation described (drop on player card, no drop on development report), does that mean the correct, post-crash file did have the drop or did not?

Kurtis R. · 01-31-2003, 02:49 PM

Did this happen at the very beginning of a season?

Kurtis

sporr · 01-31-2003, 02:56 PM

Maple Leafs, my thought would be that since the drop is recorded in the league file in use, even if it isn't in the development report, it should be counted. To me the league file in use is the official one regardless of anything the reports may say.

Maple Leafs · 01-31-2003, 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by Kurtis R.
Did this happen at the very beginning of a season?

No, we're pretty sure it was late mid-season.

Maple Leafs · 01-31-2003, 03:32 PM

I think we figured it out... thanks for the help guys.

01-31-2003, 10:50 AM	#1 (permalink)
Maple Leafs Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 234 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Talent drop: no mention in reports? Our online league has seen a player lose talent, with no mention in the Player Development report. There were no injuries or other unusual events with this player... he just lost talent somewhere along the way, with no notification. This has lead to debate over whether we should leave it as is or boost the player's talent back up. Any idea what would cause this? Is it a known issue?

01-31-2003, 11:58 AM	#2 (permalink)
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,275 Thanks: 2 Thanked 35x in 2 posts	I have only seen this happen when I've made changes to a player's ratings -- sometimes the talent will change as well. I have never seen a case where a player lost talent and it wasn't in the reports. __________________ Baseball Maelstrom - Commish/ St Louis Cardinals USBA - Las Vegas Scorpions

01-31-2003, 02:34 PM	#5 (permalink)
Kurtis R. All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 1,105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	When did these talent drops occur? Beginning of a season? End? Mid-season? EDIT: By beginning I mean 0 games played in the season. Kurtis __________________ CUBL Commissioner

01-31-2003, 02:36 PM	#6 (permalink)
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,275 Thanks: 2 Thanked 35x in 2 posts	This could happen as Killebrew stated depending on the text file that was overwritten or not overwritten. In this case, the text file that shows the talent drop would have been overwritten with one that had no such drop even though the player in the file shows the drop in question on their player card. __________________ Baseball Maelstrom - Commish/ St Louis Cardinals USBA - Las Vegas Scorpions

01-31-2003, 02:44 PM	#8 (permalink)
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 16,933 Thanks: 14 Thanked 4x in 3 posts	If the drop happened then a crash and lost results, then re-sim and no drop IMO the "no drop" would have to be the correct one since there is not any easy way to restore lost results. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays No longer an active league.

01-31-2003, 02:27 PM	#4 (permalink)
Maple Leafs Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 234 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Interesting. So if the commish was simming and a player had a talent drop, and the game crashes, we could see a "phantom" talent drop as a result once the game was restored and eventually exported?

01-31-2003, 02:49 PM	#10 (permalink)
Kurtis R. All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 1,105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Did this happen at the very beginning of a season? Kurtis __________________ CUBL Commissioner

01-31-2003, 02:56 PM	#11 (permalink)
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,275 Thanks: 2 Thanked 35x in 2 posts	Maple Leafs, my thought would be that since the drop is recorded in the league file in use, even if it isn't in the development report, it should be counted. To me the league file in use is the official one regardless of anything the reports may say. __________________ Baseball Maelstrom - Commish/ St Louis Cardinals USBA - Las Vegas Scorpions

01-31-2003, 03:32 PM	#13 (permalink)
Maple Leafs Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 234 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	I think we figured it out... thanks for the help guys.

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