Scouting/Ratings error w/Lahman DB

dryfly07x · 03-31-2003, 12:35 AM

Here's a strange one:

OOTP 5.01 w/ Lahman DB 2002

Randy Johnson somehow managed to get a Velocity rating of 1!!! His primary pitch is a knuckleball, followed by a fastball and so on. The strange thing is that the scouting report says that he can "flat-out throw it by anyone." I haven't played against Arizona, so I haven't verified whether he's throwing 55 mph knuckleballs or 95 mph fastballs. Since I'm playing in manager mode, I can't modify his ratings to correct the error.

I'll try to watch the next game he pitches in to see what he's actually throwing, but this might just be a bug that needs to fixed in the next patch.

Also, is there any way to edit players while in manager mode? I like manager mode, but every once in a while I come across a player that isn't rated as he should be. It would be nice to be able to edit player ratings, but play in manager mode at the same time.

dbacks · 03-31-2003, 12:47 AM

Okay, first off, the problem is not with OOTP5, but rather with the Lahman database, and therefore can not and will not be fixed in a future patch.

Second, here is an editor that you can use while still in manager mode:
http://www.400softwarestudios.com/bo...t+manager+mode

dryfly07x · 03-31-2003, 12:56 AM

Thanks dbacks. I guess the problem would be in the Lahman database. I need to figure out how it works. Quite a few players get ratings that aren't anywhere near their real life performances.

dbacks · 03-31-2003, 01:33 PM

Yeah, I know. It tells you how it works in the pitching.txt file. Just open that (or the batting.txt) up, and the first line or two tell you how it works.

Gastric ReFlux · 03-31-2003, 02:40 PM

As best as I understand it, the only real reason there's a velocity rating in the game is it creates the PbP element of telling you how fast the pitcher threw his last pitch. I also believe that it has no correlative value upon a pitcher's strikeout talent.

So it is quite possible for a pitcher to be a strikeout king, but hardly able to throw it over 80 mph. Or it can be the reverse too, a guy who can throw 100+ but the dude can't throw it past for the strikeout.

dbacks · 03-31-2003, 03:21 PM

The latter I find hard to believe, but it's very true that you can get strikeouts even if you throw 85 mph. You just have to have pinpoint control. I wouldn't say Greg Maddux is a strikeout pitcher, but he does have 2641 so far.

Gastric ReFlux · 03-31-2003, 03:54 PM

That might not have been clear what I said above. I meant in OOTP5, you will see those kinds of pitchers--ones with high strikeout ratings but low velocity ratings, or low strikeout ratings with high velocity ratings.

dbacks · 03-31-2003, 04:06 PM

Oh, that's definitely true. Yeah, I've seen guys with a 9-10 rating in K's, but a 3-4 rating in velocity. Thought for a minute there you were talking about real life.

Gastric ReFlux · 03-31-2003, 04:10 PM

Yeah, I didn't notice that until I came back and read it. And I said, "Oops, that's not very clear."

dbacks · 03-31-2003, 04:14 PM

Yeah, you're right it wasn't very clear.

03-31-2003, 12:35 AM	#1 (permalink)
dryfly07x Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Scouting/Ratings error w/Lahman DB Here's a strange one: OOTP 5.01 w/ Lahman DB 2002 Randy Johnson somehow managed to get a Velocity rating of 1!!! His primary pitch is a knuckleball, followed by a fastball and so on. The strange thing is that the scouting report says that he can "flat-out throw it by anyone." I haven't played against Arizona, so I haven't verified whether he's throwing 55 mph knuckleballs or 95 mph fastballs. Since I'm playing in manager mode, I can't modify his ratings to correct the error. I'll try to watch the next game he pitches in to see what he's actually throwing, but this might just be a bug that needs to fixed in the next patch. Also, is there any way to edit players while in manager mode? I like manager mode, but every once in a while I come across a player that isn't rated as he should be. It would be nice to be able to edit player ratings, but play in manager mode at the same time.

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03-31-2003, 12:47 AM	#2 (permalink)
dbacks Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,735 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Okay, first off, the problem is not with OOTP5, but rather with the Lahman database, and therefore can not and will not be fixed in a future patch. Second, here is an editor that you can use while still in manager mode: http://www.400softwarestudios.com/bo...t+manager+mode

03-31-2003, 12:56 AM	#3 (permalink)
dryfly07x Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Thanks dbacks. I guess the problem would be in the Lahman database. I need to figure out how it works. Quite a few players get ratings that aren't anywhere near their real life performances.

03-31-2003, 01:33 PM	#4 (permalink)
dbacks Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,735 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Yeah, I know. It tells you how it works in the pitching.txt file. Just open that (or the batting.txt) up, and the first line or two tell you how it works.

03-31-2003, 02:40 PM	#5 (permalink)
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4x in 4 posts	As best as I understand it, the only real reason there's a velocity rating in the game is it creates the PbP element of telling you how fast the pitcher threw his last pitch. I also believe that it has no correlative value upon a pitcher's strikeout talent. So it is quite possible for a pitcher to be a strikeout king, but hardly able to throw it over 80 mph. Or it can be the reverse too, a guy who can throw 100+ but the dude can't throw it past for the strikeout.

03-31-2003, 03:21 PM	#6 (permalink)
dbacks Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,735 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	The latter I find hard to believe, but it's very true that you can get strikeouts even if you throw 85 mph. You just have to have pinpoint control. I wouldn't say Greg Maddux is a strikeout pitcher, but he does have 2641 so far.

03-31-2003, 03:54 PM	#7 (permalink)
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4x in 4 posts	That might not have been clear what I said above. I meant in OOTP5, you will see those kinds of pitchers--ones with high strikeout ratings but low velocity ratings, or low strikeout ratings with high velocity ratings.

03-31-2003, 04:06 PM	#8 (permalink)
dbacks Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,735 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Oh, that's definitely true. Yeah, I've seen guys with a 9-10 rating in K's, but a 3-4 rating in velocity. Thought for a minute there you were talking about real life.

03-31-2003, 04:10 PM	#9 (permalink)
Gastric ReFlux Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Member #3409 Posts: 8,350 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4x in 4 posts	Yeah, I didn't notice that until I came back and read it. And I said, "Oops, that's not very clear."

03-31-2003, 04:14 PM	#10 (permalink)
dbacks Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,735 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Yeah, you're right it wasn't very clear.