Scoring Problem - Hit and Error

joshuaaaaaa · 05-10-2002, 05:23 AM

Here's what might be called a design decision, although I believe its a bug. Actually, I'll mention two things. First, whenever there is a groundball that is thrown away, the game invariably scores it as a hit and an error. While sometimes this is the case, more often it is a two-base error and I believe this should be reflected in the game.

The second instance is earned run scoring. I've seen several times where there is a batter on first, a single, and the guy tries to advance to third and the outfielder throws the ball away so the guy scores. This is scored unearned, which may or may not be true. I believe it depends on whether or not he would have scored later in the inning. The problem is that the game also scores the batter's run as unearned if he comes around later, when it should be earned because he got on via the hit, not via the error.

Scott Vibert · 05-10-2002, 06:18 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by joshuaaaaaa:
Here's what might be called a design decision, although I believe its a bug. Actually, I'll mention two things. First, whenever there is a groundball that is thrown away, the game invariably scores it as a hit and an error. While sometimes this is the case, more often it is a two-base error and I believe this should be reflected in the game.

The second instance is earned run scoring. I've seen several times where there is a batter on first, a single, and the guy tries to advance to third and the outfielder throws the ball away so the guy scores. This is scored unearned, which may or may not be true. I believe it depends on whether or not he would have scored later in the inning. The problem is that the game also scores the batter's run as unearned if he comes around later, when it should be earned because he got on via the hit, not via the error.<hr /></blockquote>These are some of the scorer error. Of course ruling the runner safe by the result of an error at the plate, assumes the runner would have been out had the throw been a good one... in that case the runners run is correctly scored unearned... the batters run is not, but you must take the error on the throw at the plate as a missing out in the recreation. (Currently I believe the game (incorrectly) scores all runs from base runners who advance because of an error as unearned.)

What it comes down to is the game is trying to assign the runs as unearned or earned on the fly, rather than doing this at the end of the inning and reconstructing the inning without the errors (as is what an official scorer would do).

I would assume the reasoning for doing this on the fly is that its much easier to do than have the game held up to determine the scoring by recreating the inning. Instead it seems to tag any player that reaches on or advances because of an error as unearned... and also anyone who comes up after the second out of the innning gets tagged as unearned (or so it seems) and the game proceeds from there.

mtw · 05-10-2002, 11:56 AM

Another shameless plug for something I'd really like to see corrected:

<a href="http://www.400softwarestudios.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000580" target="_blank">]http://www.400softwarestudios.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=00058 0</a>

Closely related, and wouldn't require "reconstructing of events".

[ 05-10-2002, 05:57 PM: Message edited by: mtw ]

Scott Vibert · 05-10-2002, 12:38 PM

I had been looking for that post with the various scoring errors.... thanks.

05-10-2002, 05:23 AM	#1 (permalink)
joshuaaaaaa All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 633 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Scoring Problem - Hit and Error Here's what might be called a design decision, although I believe its a bug. Actually, I'll mention two things. First, whenever there is a groundball that is thrown away, the game invariably scores it as a hit and an error. While sometimes this is the case, more often it is a two-base error and I believe this should be reflected in the game. The second instance is earned run scoring. I've seen several times where there is a batter on first, a single, and the guy tries to advance to third and the outfielder throws the ball away so the guy scores. This is scored unearned, which may or may not be true. I believe it depends on whether or not he would have scored later in the inning. The problem is that the game also scores the batter's run as unearned if he comes around later, when it should be earned because he got on via the hit, not via the error. __________________ Baltimore Monarchs-GUBA Baltimore Orioles-ORB2 "One of the greatest discoveries a man makes, one of his great surprises, is to find he can do what he was afraid he couldn't do." ~Henry Ford ~

05-10-2002, 06:18 AM	#2 (permalink)
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 7,551 Thanks: 72 Thanked 48x in 30 posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by joshuaaaaaa: <strong>Here's what might be called a design decision, although I believe its a bug. Actually, I'll mention two things. First, whenever there is a groundball that is thrown away, the game invariably scores it as a hit and an error. While sometimes this is the case, more often it is a two-base error and I believe this should be reflected in the game. The second instance is earned run scoring. I've seen several times where there is a batter on first, a single, and the guy tries to advance to third and the outfielder throws the ball away so the guy scores. This is scored unearned, which may or may not be true. I believe it depends on whether or not he would have scored later in the inning. The problem is that the game also scores the batter's run as unearned if he comes around later, when it should be earned because he got on via the hit, not via the error.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">These are some of the scorer error. Of course ruling the runner safe by the result of an error at the plate, assumes the runner would have been out had the throw been a good one... in that case the runners run is correctly scored unearned... the batters run is not, but you must take the error on the throw at the plate as a missing out in the recreation. (Currently I believe the game (incorrectly) scores all runs from base runners who advance because of an error as unearned.) What it comes down to is the game is trying to assign the runs as unearned or earned on the fly, rather than doing this at the end of the inning and reconstructing the inning without the errors (as is what an official scorer would do). I would assume the reasoning for doing this on the fly is that its much easier to do than have the game held up to determine the scoring by recreating the inning. Instead it seems to tag any player that reaches on or advances because of an error as unearned... and also anyone who comes up after the second out of the innning gets tagged as unearned (or so it seems) and the game proceeds from there.

05-10-2002, 11:56 AM	#3 (permalink)
mtw All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 653 Thanks: 1 Thanked 4x in 3 posts	Another shameless plug for something I'd really like to see corrected: <a href="http://www.400softwarestudios.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000580" target="_blank">]http://www.400softwarestudios.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=00058 0</a> Closely related, and wouldn't require "reconstructing of events". <small>[ 05-10-2002, 05:57 PM: Message edited by: mtw ]</small> __________________ Over-Zealous Apologist

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05-10-2002, 12:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 7,551 Thanks: 72 Thanked 48x in 30 posts	I had been looking for that post with the various scoring errors.... thanks.