I don't get it

jmaness84 · 06-08-2004, 01:02 PM

In my online league I have 2 Possible Free Agents. Joe Mays and JD Drew. We'll in the possible Free Agent HTML Report it has Mays, Drew, along with 2 other guys who are supposed to be arbitration eligible. Can anybody explain? I appreciate it.

jbmagic · 06-08-2004, 01:09 PM

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jmaness84 · 06-08-2004, 03:00 PM

These players aren't minor league players though. The other 2 Free Agents to be is my ACE SP and my 2b that hits 40 homers a year. Check these sites out. Look at SP Ben Fritz and 2b Drew Henson.

http://www.psbl.ootp-leagues.com/lea.../team25sa.html

Now check this one out. I'm St. Louis. It has Henson and Fritz as possible Fre Agents.

http://www.psbl.ootp-leagues.com/lea...e/pagents.html

Which one is correct? I definently don't want to lose those 2 players.

Malleus Dei · 06-08-2004, 03:03 PM

I think you need to file a bug report on that one.

jmaness84 · 06-08-2004, 03:07 PM

Alright

jbmagic · 06-08-2004, 03:12 PM

from others i heard the salary report html is the one you should go by..

i wish both reports will match it will be less confusion

gmo · 06-08-2004, 03:41 PM

The league-wide possible free agents list looks for, among other things, players with greater than 5 years but not yet 6 of experience in the majors because it is possible that by the end of the season they could have 6 full years and be able to become a free agent. It apparently does not do the calculation to figure out whether the player would actually be able to reach that 6 years point by the end of the season. Does the team report figure that out or does it just assume arbitration for all players with less than 6 years experience at the time the report is created?

It seems that this may be working as planned. It seems a bit clunky, and maybe it is bugged, and there appears room for improvement, but I think just some documentation would make it clearer. The best way to figure out if a guy will be a FA is to look at his service time and calculate ahead to the end of the season to see for sure. If he has 5 years and 2 days with 4 days left to go in the season he obviously won't be, while if he has 5 years and 170 days on the first day of the season he exceedingly likely will be.

EDIT: Now that this has been moved, I'd be interested in hearing opinions on my explanation since I don't think it is a bug rather just difficult to interpret. Plus, I thought I came to my conclusion from reading someone else explain it that way.

jmaness84 · 06-09-2004, 12:09 PM

Can someone please explain this? I do not want to lose those 2 players.

Henry · 06-09-2004, 12:16 PM

gmo's description on how to calcualte it would be the best solution for now.

gmo · 06-09-2004, 02:55 PM

In going to your player pages right now I see it is June 14 in the league, meaning I figure you have something of order 110 days left in the season.

Henson has 5 years 121 days of service time. Thus with just over 50 more days he will pass 5 years 172 days which equals 6 years. Free agency appears a certainty.

Fritz has 5 years 65 days. It might be very close, but I would guess that if he remains on the roster the rest of the season he would get that other 107 days needed to get that full 6th year and become a free agent.

Note: I was assuming 172 days for the "full year". Also, I have not paid close enough attention, so I do not know for sure what days add to a player's service time. Could someone else clarify this? Is it days during the regular season? Is it based on the calendar only?

06-08-2004, 01:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
jmaness84 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,681 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	I don't get it In my online league I have 2 Possible Free Agents. Joe Mays and JD Drew. We'll in the possible Free Agent HTML Report it has Mays, Drew, along with 2 other guys who are supposed to be arbitration eligible. Can anybody explain? I appreciate it.

06-08-2004, 03:00 PM	#3 (permalink)
jmaness84 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,681 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	These players aren't minor league players though. The other 2 Free Agents to be is my ACE SP and my 2b that hits 40 homers a year. Check these sites out. Look at SP Ben Fritz and 2b Drew Henson. http://www.psbl.ootp-leagues.com/lea.../team25sa.html Now check this one out. I'm St. Louis. It has Henson and Fritz as possible Fre Agents. http://www.psbl.ootp-leagues.com/lea...e/pagents.html Which one is correct? I definently don't want to lose those 2 players. Last edited by jmaness84; 06-08-2004 at 03:02 PM.

06-08-2004, 03:41 PM	#7 (permalink)
gmo Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Grand Forks, ND Posts: 2,788 Thanks: 0 Thanked 83x in 46 posts	The league-wide possible free agents list looks for, among other things, players with greater than 5 years but not yet 6 of experience in the majors because it is possible that by the end of the season they could have 6 full years and be able to become a free agent. It apparently does not do the calculation to figure out whether the player would actually be able to reach that 6 years point by the end of the season. Does the team report figure that out or does it just assume arbitration for all players with less than 6 years experience at the time the report is created? It seems that this may be working as planned. It seems a bit clunky, and maybe it is bugged, and there appears room for improvement, but I think just some documentation would make it clearer. The best way to figure out if a guy will be a FA is to look at his service time and calculate ahead to the end of the season to see for sure. If he has 5 years and 2 days with 4 days left to go in the season he obviously won't be, while if he has 5 years and 170 days on the first day of the season he exceedingly likely will be. EDIT: Now that this has been moved, I'd be interested in hearing opinions on my explanation since I don't think it is a bug rather just difficult to interpret. Plus, I thought I came to my conclusion from reading someone else explain it that way. __________________ ================== Making Baseball Schedules ================== Last edited by gmo; 06-08-2004 at 03:57 PM.

06-09-2004, 02:55 PM	#10 (permalink)
gmo Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Grand Forks, ND Posts: 2,788 Thanks: 0 Thanked 83x in 46 posts	In going to your player pages right now I see it is June 14 in the league, meaning I figure you have something of order 110 days left in the season. Henson has 5 years 121 days of service time. Thus with just over 50 more days he will pass 5 years 172 days which equals 6 years. Free agency appears a certainty. Fritz has 5 years 65 days. It might be very close, but I would guess that if he remains on the roster the rest of the season he would get that other 107 days needed to get that full 6th year and become a free agent. Note: I was assuming 172 days for the "full year". Also, I have not paid close enough attention, so I do not know for sure what days add to a player's service time. Could someone else clarify this? Is it days during the regular season? Is it based on the calendar only? __________________ ================== Making Baseball Schedules ==================

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06-08-2004, 01:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
jbmagic Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,419 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1x in 1 post	go here... I am So surprise you guys didnt catch this BUG: Please Read Very Important

06-08-2004, 03:07 PM	#5 (permalink)
jmaness84 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,681 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Alright

06-08-2004, 03:12 PM	#6 (permalink)
jbmagic Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,419 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1x in 1 post	from others i heard the salary report html is the one you should go by.. i wish both reports will match it will be less confusion

06-09-2004, 12:09 PM	#8 (permalink)
jmaness84 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,681 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Can someone please explain this? I do not want to lose those 2 players.

06-09-2004, 12:16 PM	#9 (permalink)
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,455 Thanks: 21 Thanked 163x in 70 posts	gmo's description on how to calcualte it would be the best solution for now.