Waivers and the DL

SSG Troyer · 06-10-2004, 09:16 AM

Why can't I take my A-balling 27-year-old SP off the 15-day DL without having him clear waivers? Is this the way it's supposed to work? The guy has never pitched in anything other than A ball, but he has to clear waivers before I can take him off the DL and return him to his league ... doesn't seem right.

sporr · 06-10-2004, 01:07 PM

Actually, you never need to put any of your minor leaguers on the 15-day DL.

SSG Troyer · 06-11-2004, 04:06 PM

So what? Does the game thus assume I never would?

Ktulu · 06-11-2004, 04:08 PM

Why would you?

Single A Rookie · 06-11-2004, 08:36 PM

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Originally posted by Ktulu
Why would you?

That's not the point... the fact is that the DL is a major league DL... you should not be able to drag and drop minor league players into the major league DL... that is a bug that needs addressing....

When programing (or beta testing) you have to assume the user will do anything, and then program to save them from themselves at times....

SSG Troyer - by placing the minor leaguer on the major league DL, you've essentially promoted him to the bigs - so yes - he will have to clear waivers to head back to Single A.

SSG Troyer · 06-13-2004, 06:36 AM

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Originally posted by Single A Rookie
...by placing the minor leaguer on the major league DL, you've essentially promoted him to the bigs - so yes - he will have to clear waivers to head back to Single A.

Thank you. So to deepen the bug just a tad ... If I've promoted my Single A SP to the bigs by putting him on the DL, why didn't he get a ML contract, and why didn't his service time get counted? I mean, I can buy being allowed to be an idiot, as long as the consequences of the idiocy are consistant.

Single A Rookie · 06-14-2004, 12:21 PM

Good point! The plot (or bug) thickens!

Another Mike D · 06-14-2004, 12:55 PM

Well, being that there isn't a manual telling people not to put minor leaguers on the DL, I find it pretty funny that one would expect people NOT to do certain things. Most people, espcially people unfamiliar with the game, would see an injured guy and place him on the DL.

Why does the game allow you to put minor leaguers on the DL in the first place, assume they are major leaguers (making them clear waivers), and not give them any service time or contracts? I think we are starting to get a clear picture on the answer to that.

Scott Vibert · 06-14-2004, 02:50 PM

The game right now assumes the DL was the Major League DL (there are seperate Minor League DLs in real life) as a result all the players on the DL acrue Major League Service time, and meaning they'd have to follow the normal procedure to come off the active and 40 man rosters if they are being returned to the minors. I suspect the guy didn't get the Major League minimum contract because the action of putting him on the active roster is what triggers the change in contract.

Not really a bug, but something that was never made clear about the way it's supposed to work. Making it impossible to put Minor Leaguers on the DL would probably simplify matters for everyone.

Henry · 06-14-2004, 03:10 PM

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Originally posted by Scott Vibert
Not really a bug, but something that was never made clear about the way it's supposed to work. Making it impossible to put Minor Leaguers on the DL would probably simplify matters for everyone.

I would agree. It would avoid having to add more code to correct an already complex scenario.

Another Mike D · 06-14-2004, 03:10 PM

^^^^^ Yeah, what he said.

And it's been almost a month since this was posted on the forums. I know you feel like it's beating a dead horse, and are free to tell me so, but issues like this can be cleared up fairly easily.

jbmagic · 06-14-2004, 03:21 PM

so if we are not suppose to put minor league players on the disable list.

does ootp do a good job not playing the injure player in the minors?

or we need to take him off the lineup or pitching staff?

sporr · 06-14-2004, 05:07 PM

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Originally posted by jbmagic
so if we are not suppose to put minor league players on the disable list.

does ootp do a good job not playing the injure player in the minors?

or we need to take him off the lineup or pitching staff?

Injured minor leaguers are treated just like injured major leaguers in the game. So, they won't be used until they fully healed if they aren't day-to-day.

SSG Troyer · 06-14-2004, 07:19 PM

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Originally posted by Scott Vibert
The game right now assumes the DL was the Major League DL (there are seperate Minor League DLs in real life) as a result all the players on the DL acrue Major League Service time, and meaning they'd have to follow the normal procedure to come off the active and 40 man rosters if they are being returned to the minors.....

But the Single A SP did not accrue service time. It was like I was trying to pull him off the 40-man, since the waivers were revokable. He was not, however, on the 40-man roster.

Anyway, he has 0 days on the 25-man roster.

Scott Vibert · 06-14-2004, 09:49 PM

I know at least when I've been caught by this my minor leaugers accrued their service time. Here's what he says:

Years of MLB Service: 0 years 0 days
MLB Service Days this year: 22 days (the length of time he was on the DL)
Years on 40 man roster: 0 years 0 days.

So your guy isn't showing up with any MLB Service Days this year? Or is he still just showing the 0 years 0 days?

SSG Troyer · 06-15-2004, 09:19 AM

Unfortunately, I've since played an off-season, so his MLB Service days this year is now 0. I don't remember what it said last year, but it may have been similiar to yours.

He cleared waivers during the free agent period, BTW. I kept having to revoke his waivers until then ... was scared for a while I was gonna have to keep him on the DL forever.

Ktulu · 06-15-2004, 01:07 PM

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Not really a bug, but something that was never made clear about the way it's supposed to work. Making it impossible to put Minor Leaguers on the DL would probably simplify matters for everyone.

This would create another problem.

There is one instance when you would want to add a player to the DL. That is when you have a minor leaguer, on your 40 man roster, who has a lengthy injury and you want to put him on the 60 day DL to clear up a 40 man roster spot.

I hope this hasnt been added to the next patch.

Henry · 06-15-2004, 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by Ktulu
This would create another problem.

There is one instance when you would want to add a player to the DL. That is when you have a minor leaguer, on your 40 man roster, who has a lengthy injury and you want to put him on the 60 day DL to clear up a 40 man roster spot.

I hope this hasnt been added to the next patch.

I see that as a lesser issue/problem than the one currently however.

Ktulu · 06-15-2004, 02:47 PM

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I see that as a lesser issue/problem than the one currently however.

Well the 'issue' is people using the DL for minor leaguers when they have no need too. Isnt educating people better than eliminating one of the reasons for having a 60 day DL?

Fixing one problem by creating another doesnt make much sense to me.

SSG Troyer · 06-15-2004, 04:28 PM

Okay, then the game shouldn't allow anyone who is not on the 40-man to be put on the DL.

IF [player.40-man-flag] = ON THEN [allow DL] ELSE [error-message]

Howzzat?

06-10-2004, 09:16 AM	#1 (permalink)
SSG Troyer All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somewhere to the left of 2nd base Posts: 1,593 Thanks: 28 Thanked 5x in 4 posts	Waivers and the DL Why can't I take my A-balling 27-year-old SP off the 15-day DL without having him clear waivers? Is this the way it's supposed to work? The guy has never pitched in anything other than A ball, but he has to clear waivers before I can take him off the DL and return him to his league ... doesn't seem right. __________________ MWT Did Tennesee Delaware Mississppi's New Jersey? Idaho ... Alaska!

06-10-2004, 01:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,275 Thanks: 2 Thanked 35x in 2 posts	Actually, you never need to put any of your minor leaguers on the 15-day DL. __________________ Baseball Maelstrom - Commish/ St Louis Cardinals USBA - Las Vegas Scorpions

06-11-2004, 04:06 PM	#3 (permalink)
SSG Troyer All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somewhere to the left of 2nd base Posts: 1,593 Thanks: 28 Thanked 5x in 4 posts	So what? Does the game thus assume I never would? __________________ MWT Did Tennesee Delaware Mississppi's New Jersey? Idaho ... Alaska!

06-11-2004, 04:08 PM	#4 (permalink)
Ktulu Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: BC Posts: 2,225 Thanks: 185 Thanked 167x in 118 posts	Why would you? __________________ "The ice is getting even more thinner, my friend!"

06-14-2004, 12:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
Another Mike D All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: atl Posts: 832 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2x in 2 posts	Well, being that there isn't a manual telling people not to put minor leaguers on the DL, I find it pretty funny that one would expect people NOT to do certain things. Most people, espcially people unfamiliar with the game, would see an injured guy and place him on the DL. Why does the game allow you to put minor leaguers on the DL in the first place, assume they are major leaguers (making them clear waivers), and not give them any service time or contracts? I think we are starting to get a clear picture on the answer to that. __________________ San Diego Padres NexGen Baseball League Cleveland Indians United Baseball League Co-commissioner of United Baseball League

06-14-2004, 12:21 PM	#7 (permalink)
Single A Rookie Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 144 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Good point! The plot (or bug) thickens!

06-14-2004, 02:50 PM	#9 (permalink)
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 7,551 Thanks: 72 Thanked 48x in 30 posts	The game right now assumes the DL was the Major League DL (there are seperate Minor League DLs in real life) as a result all the players on the DL acrue Major League Service time, and meaning they'd have to follow the normal procedure to come off the active and 40 man rosters if they are being returned to the minors. I suspect the guy didn't get the Major League minimum contract because the action of putting him on the active roster is what triggers the change in contract. Not really a bug, but something that was never made clear about the way it's supposed to work. Making it impossible to put Minor Leaguers on the DL would probably simplify matters for everyone.

06-14-2004, 03:10 PM	#11 (permalink)
Another Mike D All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: atl Posts: 832 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2x in 2 posts	^^^^^ Yeah, what he said. And it's been almost a month since this was posted on the forums. I know you feel like it's beating a dead horse, and are free to tell me so, but issues like this can be cleared up fairly easily. __________________ San Diego Padres NexGen Baseball League Cleveland Indians United Baseball League Co-commissioner of United Baseball League

06-14-2004, 03:21 PM	#12 (permalink)
jbmagic Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,419 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1x in 1 post	so if we are not suppose to put minor league players on the disable list. does ootp do a good job not playing the injure player in the minors? or we need to take him off the lineup or pitching staff?

06-14-2004, 09:49 PM	#15 (permalink)
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 7,551 Thanks: 72 Thanked 48x in 30 posts	I know at least when I've been caught by this my minor leaugers accrued their service time. Here's what he says: Years of MLB Service: 0 years 0 days MLB Service Days this year: 22 days (the length of time he was on the DL) Years on 40 man roster: 0 years 0 days. So your guy isn't showing up with any MLB Service Days this year? Or is he still just showing the 0 years 0 days?

06-15-2004, 09:19 AM	#16 (permalink)
SSG Troyer All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somewhere to the left of 2nd base Posts: 1,593 Thanks: 28 Thanked 5x in 4 posts	Unfortunately, I've since played an off-season, so his MLB Service days this year is now 0. I don't remember what it said last year, but it may have been similiar to yours. He cleared waivers during the free agent period, BTW. I kept having to revoke his waivers until then ... was scared for a while I was gonna have to keep him on the DL forever. __________________ MWT Did Tennesee Delaware Mississppi's New Jersey? Idaho ... Alaska!

06-15-2004, 04:28 PM	#20 (permalink)
SSG Troyer All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somewhere to the left of 2nd base Posts: 1,593 Thanks: 28 Thanked 5x in 4 posts	Okay, then the game shouldn't allow anyone who is not on the 40-man to be put on the DL. IF [player.40-man-flag] = ON THEN [allow DL] ELSE [error-message] Howzzat? __________________ MWT Did Tennesee Delaware Mississppi's New Jersey? Idaho ... Alaska!

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