The XML Suggestion Thread (June 15 XML File Version) - Page 6

AllTheBest · 07-17-2006, 11:56 PM

I haven't noticed any errors in the PBP so far with 1.0.2.

Great job guys!

Raidergoo · 08-05-2006, 09:43 PM

here's the pitch. . .
here's a swing. . .
hammered. . .
towards the gap in right field . . .
Bowling calls for it. . .
Bowling leaps . . .
and he . . .
can't get it!
HOME RUN Dunn!
that shot was measured at 453 feet
Adam Dunn Belts a solo home run!

M's rule · 08-06-2006, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

here's the pitch. . .
here's a swing. . .
hammered. . .
towards the gap in right field . . .
Bowling calls for it. . .
Bowling leaps . . .
and he . . .
can't get it!
HOME RUN Dunn!
that shot was measured at 453 feet
Adam Dunn Belts a solo home run!

Rgoo, what are you getting at here? I see some problems with this PbP sequence, but I'd like to find out what your issues are.

Raidergoo · 08-06-2006, 02:49 AM

Why is the LF calling and jumping for a 453 foot HR?

rich12545 · 08-06-2006, 10:36 AM

Maybe it was the olde days and the fence was 450 feet out?

Raidergoo · 08-06-2006, 04:29 PM

If the move the fences at Shea that far out, some one is going to get run over by a plane.

M's rule · 08-06-2006, 11:54 PM

Okay, here’s a straight answer.

I looked up the database IDs for most of the lines in the sequence. “[NIB]” stands for Not in Database, which means either that I have deleted the line since the most recent release of the XML file, or that it’s pulled from hard-coded text. Currently in the database, the phrase “calls for it” on a play to the outfield appears only in the ROUTINE_7, ROUTINE_8, and ROUTINE_9 categories. As you might assume, none of the entries in the ROUTINE categories are subsequently linked to a home run—they’re all plays on which the batter makes an out.

Why does Bowling leap for a 453-foot home run? Because the distance of the home run isn’t determined until after the result of the play, and, as I understand it, that number is generated more or less randomly from within a range that extends from the number painted on the wall to some larger number that could (obviously) be much higher than that minimum distance.

[235-12163] towards the gap in right field . . . [the entry actually says “toward”]
[NIB] Bowling calls for it. . .
[277-7394]Bowling leaps . . .
and he . . .
can't get it!
HOME RUN Dunn! [the entry actually includes the word “for” in front of the name]
[280-10318] that shot was measured at 453 feet

I could get rid of the “leaps” problem by deleting 7394 (and 7393, which uses similar wording), but that’s a bit of a slippery slope. Should I then also delete an entry that says “this one has a chance to go all the way” and another one that says “it could be outta here”? Those messages also don’t fit with a home run that clears the fence by 50 feet or more, unless you want to imagine that the calls are being made by an announcer who has a problem with depth perception (no pun intended).

Raidergoo · 08-07-2006, 10:00 AM

I think this could be improved by having the process work in reverse next year. Let's determine if it is a HR, then the distance, then use the distance ( or type of HR, line drive, moon shoot . . .) as a call to a set of tokens for that type of HR.

Bowling's proper response for this kind of HR is to not budge, to silently admire it in awe.

I looked at my all-time leaderboard and found this Dunn's HR was #563, tying him with Reggie Jackson.

M's rule · 08-07-2006, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

I think this could be improved by having the process work in reverse next year. Let's determine if it is a HR, then the distance, then use the distance ( or type of HR, line drive, moon shoot . . .) as a call to a set of tokens for that type of HR.

An excellent plan. We'd also want to be sure that the distance of the homer wasn't revealed until after the home run call was finished. That would be a departure from the order in which PbP info is currently displayed, which seems to be in strict linear sequence.

Zeyes · 08-07-2006, 03:15 PM

Just encountered an odd award news message, courtesy of 38-1328:

Quote:

Mezia starred with 6 saves in 6 opportunities over no relief appearances. He logged 2 wins in 10 innings, recorded 12 Ks, issued 3 bases on balls, and compiled a 0.00 ERA.

The offending token is [%pitching ra word]...looks spelled correctly to me, so I'm not sure what the problem is. Mezia had 8 relief appearances, for what that's worth.

Edit: Another one in the same vein was just posted in Tech Support...

M's rule · 08-08-2006, 09:43 PM

I've spent some time trying to replicate this problem, but it's taking forever to get the game to display a season stat or career stat message for a relief pitcher. I have a hunch that Zeyes is on the right track with the message he posted in tech support--the "ra" value is being filled by some variable other than relief appearances.

M's rule · 08-09-2006, 12:46 AM

Eureka!

I just came across this season stats message:

This season Wagner has earned 10 saves, logged 23 innings and 3 relief appearances . . .

Actually, he has more than 3 relief appearances (obviously), but he does have 3 holds, according to his current stats. It seems as though the "ra" variable, when encountered in a token, is holding the value for "hld" instead.

I have logged this as TT #2464.

Thanks for the sharp eyes, Corn and Zeyes.

battists · 08-09-2006, 01:10 PM

BTW, just for future reference, if you ever want to poke at a certain message, you can do this:

1. Back up your english.xml
2. Find the category with the message you want in the XML file
3. Delete all of the messages apart from the one you want to see.
4. Save and boot up OOTP

Now, it will always grab the message you want. Replace your backup when you're done testing.

battists · 08-14-2006, 08:14 AM

Hi everyone. If you have thoughts about changes in the in-game XML for the next major release, please post them here:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar....php?p=1826967

Thanks!

08-05-2006, 09:43 PM	#102 (permalink)
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: 39.84 N -84.12 W Posts: 7,165	What do you mean, Flash Gordon approaching? here's the pitch. . . here's a swing. . . hammered. . . towards the gap in right field . . . Bowling calls for it. . . Bowling leaps . . . and he . . . can't get it! HOME RUN Dunn! that shot was measured at 453 feet Adam Dunn Belts a solo home run! __________________

08-06-2006, 02:49 AM	#104 (permalink)
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: 39.84 N -84.12 W Posts: 7,165	Why is the LF calling and jumping for a 453 foot HR? __________________

08-06-2006, 04:29 PM	#106 (permalink)
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: 39.84 N -84.12 W Posts: 7,165	If the move the fences at Shea that far out, some one is going to get run over by a plane. __________________

08-07-2006, 10:00 AM	#108 (permalink)
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: 39.84 N -84.12 W Posts: 7,165	I think this could be improved by having the process work in reverse next year. Let's determine if it is a HR, then the distance, then use the distance ( or type of HR, line drive, moon shoot . . .) as a call to a set of tokens for that type of HR. Bowling's proper response for this kind of HR is to not budge, to silently admire it in awe. I looked at my all-time leaderboard and found this Dunn's HR was #563, tying him with Reggie Jackson. __________________

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07-17-2006, 11:56 PM	#101 (permalink)
AllTheBest Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 18	I haven't noticed any errors in the PBP so far with 1.0.2. Great job guys!

08-06-2006, 10:36 AM	#105 (permalink)
rich12545 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: St John, WA Posts: 244	Maybe it was the olde days and the fence was 450 feet out?

08-06-2006, 11:54 PM	#107 (permalink)
M's rule All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Seattle Posts: 746	Okay, here’s a straight answer. I looked up the database IDs for most of the lines in the sequence. “[NIB]” stands for Not in Database, which means either that I have deleted the line since the most recent release of the XML file, or that it’s pulled from hard-coded text. Currently in the database, the phrase “calls for it” on a play to the outfield appears only in the ROUTINE_7, ROUTINE_8, and ROUTINE_9 categories. As you might assume, none of the entries in the ROUTINE categories are subsequently linked to a home run—they’re all plays on which the batter makes an out. Why does Bowling leap for a 453-foot home run? Because the distance of the home run isn’t determined until after the result of the play, and, as I understand it, that number is generated more or less randomly from within a range that extends from the number painted on the wall to some larger number that could (obviously) be much higher than that minimum distance. [235-12163] towards the gap in right field . . . [the entry actually says “toward”] [NIB] Bowling calls for it. . . [277-7394]Bowling leaps . . . and he . . . can't get it! HOME RUN Dunn! [the entry actually includes the word “for” in front of the name] [280-10318] that shot was measured at 453 feet I could get rid of the “leaps” problem by deleting 7394 (and 7393, which uses similar wording), but that’s a bit of a slippery slope. Should I then also delete an entry that says “this one has a chance to go all the way” and another one that says “it could be outta here”? Those messages also don’t fit with a home run that clears the fence by 50 feet or more, unless you want to imagine that the calls are being made by an announcer who has a problem with depth perception (no pun intended).

08-08-2006, 09:43 PM	#111 (permalink)
M's rule All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Seattle Posts: 746	I've spent some time trying to replicate this problem, but it's taking forever to get the game to display a season stat or career stat message for a relief pitcher. I have a hunch that Zeyes is on the right track with the message he posted in tech support--the "ra" value is being filled by some variable other than relief appearances.

08-09-2006, 12:46 AM	#112 (permalink)
M's rule All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Seattle Posts: 746	Eureka! I just came across this season stats message: This season Wagner has earned 10 saves, logged 23 innings and 3 relief appearances . . . Actually, he has more than 3 relief appearances (obviously), but he does have 3 holds, according to his current stats. It seems as though the "ra" variable, when encountered in a token, is holding the value for "hld" instead. I have logged this as TT #2464. Thanks for the sharp eyes, Corn and Zeyes.

08-09-2006, 01:10 PM	#113 (permalink)
battists Administrator Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 14,119	BTW, just for future reference, if you ever want to poke at a certain message, you can do this: 1. Back up your english.xml 2. Find the category with the message you want in the XML file 3. Delete all of the messages apart from the one you want to see. 4. Save and boot up OOTP Now, it will always grab the message you want. Replace your backup when you're done testing.

08-14-2006, 08:14 AM	#114 (permalink)
battists Administrator Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 14,119	Hi everyone. If you have thoughts about changes in the in-game XML for the next major release, please post them here: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar....php?p=1826967 Thanks!