OOTP 9 versus Baseball Mogul 09

[mgom27]

OOTP 9 Might have Minor League Team Contracts with a MLB team,Invite People to Camp,Minor League Camp,MLB Teams setting their Opening Day Roster before Spring Training is over,Split Squad and so on that Baseball Mogul 09 doesn't have yet.
Headlines News and Play by Play in Baseball Mogul is good but you can't add other Leagues to you existing one and Minor Leagues don't have their own page and so on.

[Scoman]

Really there is no comparison between the two,so why go there? Its like comparing a ford pinto with a porsche.

[Go Tribe]

totally not fair - ootp is waaaay better than a pinto!!!

[Erik W.]

Do they have a realistic sim engine and position player fatigue yet? No? Then I still don't care about Mogul.

[jbergey22]

LOL

Baseball mogul still have the "bug" in which every 2nd year pitcher has an ERA over 10.00 and the developer claims the PbP engine is the same as the sim engine despite the fact that you can have guys hit over 400 on PBP.

Not to sound overly bitter because I think the baseball game has a lot of good things about it, but when I bought Football mogul which was the worst game I have ever played, I gave up all hope with anything this company does. If you dont have the pride to put out a decent product in everything you design you arent going to get my financing in trying to turn BM into that game we crave.

[bababui]

OOTP has mgom. Lets see Clay Dreslough top that.

[edm]

This is kind of like going to a MAC forum and asking people, "Mac or PC?"

Baseball Mogul is usually a good game (although I haven't played this years version). But it's pretty simple compared to OOTP. That's not nesassary a bad thing, as some people prefer it's simplicity compared to OOTP. But if want the deepest baseball sim on the market its ootp hands down. Also, the nice thing about OOTP is most of the advanced options can be toggled on/off, so it can be made to play as simple as you like. Last time I checked, Mogul doesn't let you enable features to make it more in depth

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by edm

Baseball Mogul is usually a good game (although I haven't played this years version). But it's pretty simple compared to OOTP. That's not nesassary a bad thing, as some people prefer it's simplicity compared to OOTP.

Yes, but if it does anything close to what dsvitak describes in the other thread on this board, then I'm not laying a dollar on it.

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Yes, but if it does anything close to what dsvitak describes in the other thread on this board, then I'm not laying a dollar on it.

It is, and then some.

I am not a "homer" for OOTP, by any means. I love baseball, and I love baseball games, all the way back to the mid '60's, when I purchased the Strat cards every year.

I believe that I have purchased about 95% of all baseball games ever placed on the market for sale, computer AND dice-driven.

All I can figure is that the algorithyms used for BM are flawed. The game runs too "hot." I cannot figure out ANY set of tweaks or modifications that can slow down this offense.

This, coupled with players playing for 25+ seasons, REALLY hammers into the Robin Yount factor....guys with marginal talent accruing massive lifetime totals. 1100 doubles, 450 triples, crap like that.

There are random guys, with 20 lifetime at bats in real life, who hit .182, out of NOWHERE hitting .415 for a season, and 3500+ hits for a career. I want Babe Ruth to be Babe Ruth! ... or at least somewhat close.

I cringed when Mel Ott hit 42 homers as an 18 year old, and then started hitting 50 two years later. 500 homers before his 28th birthday. Sure, A-Rod has 500, and he may well end up with 800+...but not the close to a thousand that Ott did...on two SEPARATE sims!!!

There once was a Supreme Court Justice who was asked if he could define pornography. He said: "No, but I know it when I see it."

I feel the same about Baseball Mogul. I cannot define what a perfectly accurate baseball sim is, but it ain't Baseball Mogul. Not even close.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by dsvitak

It is, and then some.

I am not a "homer" for OOTP, by any means. I love baseball, and I love baseball games, all the way back to the mid '60's, when I purchased the Strat cards every year.

I believe that I have purchased about 95% of all baseball games ever placed on the market for sale, computer AND dice-driven.

All I can figure is that the algorithyms used for BM are flawed. The game runs too "hot." I cannot figure out ANY set of tweaks or modifications that can slow down this offense.

This, coupled with players playing for 25+ seasons, REALLY hammers into the Robin Yount factor....guys with marginal talent accruing massive lifetime totals. 1100 doubles, 450 triples, crap like that.

There are random guys, with 20 lifetime at bats in real life, who hit .182, out of NOWHERE hitting .415 for a season, and 3500+ hits for a career. I want Babe Ruth to be Babe Ruth! ... or at least somewhat close.

I cringed when Mel Ott hit 42 homers as an 18 year old, and then started hitting 50 two years later. 500 homers before his 28th birthday. Sure, A-Rod has 500, and he may well end up with 800+...but not the close to a thousand that Ott did...on two SEPARATE sims!!!

There once was a Supreme Court Justice who was asked if he could define pornography. He said: "No, but I know it when I see it."

I feel the same about Baseball Mogul. I cannot define what a perfectly accurate baseball sim is, but it ain't Baseball Mogul. Not even close.

Good post. Thanks for the heads up on that disaster. That kind of disconnect with reality is what used to bother me about the arcade-style computer games that I played before discovering OOTP and, despite the periodic complaints that I have had, accounts for why I have hung around this game for over three years now.

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Good post. Thanks for the heads up on that disaster. That kind of disconnect with reality is what used to bother me about the arcade-style computer games that I played before discovering OOTP and, despite the periodic complaints that I have had, accounts for why I have hung around this game for over three years now.

I completely agree. OOTP just FEELS right.

[Syd Thrift]

Yeah... one of the reasons that Puresim/Draft Day Baseball is so desperately needed is that right now OOTP really doesn't have any challengers. It's competing with itself in the "career-based baseball sims for people with a brain" genre.

[HolyCow98]

The thing I love about Baseball Mogul (any version) is the free coaster for my soda. Awesome..simply fantastic