OOTP9- Historical Leagues

[v_m]

What does Normalizing mean in OOTP9 for Historical Leagues?

[Solonor]

Originally Posted by v_m

What does Normalizing mean in OOTP9 for Historical Leagues?

Taking the park factors out when figuring out the player ratings.

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by Solonor

Taking the park factors out when figuring out the player ratings.

So if I use ratings based on normalization, I should also use the real park factors for real results?

If I use ratings based on actual stats it wouldn't be wise to use the real park effects I reckon.

[Charlie Hough]

I don't think normalization does any good either way. What I would like to see is something that would allow the game to adjust player ratings based on the historical parks they played in. Guys who hit in mammoth ballparks like Griffith Stadium or Forbes Field should have power ratings that reflect their true power. So, if you dropped them into Wrigley Field or the Baker Bowl, they could produce much higher home run totals.

[Solonor]

Originally Posted by Charlie Hough

I don't think normalization does any good either way. What I would like to see is something that would allow the game to adjust player ratings based on the historical parks they played in. Guys who hit in mammoth ballparks like Griffith Stadium or Forbes Field should have power ratings that reflect their true power. So, if you dropped them into Wrigley Field or the Baker Bowl, they could produce much higher home run totals.

That's exactly what normalization is.

[StyxNCa]

So again, if I use the real parks I should use the normalized ratings to get realistic results? This is confusing to me.

[Solonor]

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

So again, if I use the real parks I should use the normalized ratings to get realistic results? This is confusing to me.

In theory, yes.

If you put a player who played in a mammoth ballpark like Griffith Stadium, and you have the game normalize his ratings, then it will use the park factors to make his power higher. If you want to see him hit close to the same number of HR's in Griffith, then you have to use Griffith's park factors to cut down the guy's power at home. Likewise, you have to use park factors in order to see him hit more HR on the road.

If you don't use park factors, then it doesn't matter what stadium the guy plays in, he'll have the same power, whether you use normalized ratings or not.

Now, you should also get the same number of HR he hit in real life if you don't normalize his ratings and don't use park factors. The only time things will be different from reality, in theory, is if you mix the two (normalize without park factors or don't normalize and use park factors). I'm pretty sure park factors are not something you can just turn off, though. You'd have to use identical ballparks for every team, and the historical game automatically loads the real ballparks for each team.

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by Solonor

In theory, yes.

If you put a player who played in a mammoth ballpark like Griffith Stadium, and you have the game normalize his ratings, then it will use the park factors to make his power higher. If you want to see him hit close to the same number of HR's in Griffith, then you have to use Griffith's park factors to cut down the guy's power at home. Likewise, you have to use park factors in order to see him hit more HR on the road.

If you don't use park factors, then it doesn't matter what stadium the guy plays in, he'll have the same power, whether you use normalized ratings or not.

Now, you should also get the same number of HR he hit in real life if you don't normalize his ratings and don't use park factors. The only time things will be different from reality, in theory, is if you mix the two (normalize without park factors or don't normalize and use park factors). I'm pretty sure park factors are not something you can just turn off, though. You'd have to use identical ballparks for every team, and the historical game automatically loads the real ballparks for each team.

OK this answers my question quite well. I like using park factors so I will use the normalized stats.Thank you very much.

[Charlie Hough]

Originally Posted by Solonor

That's exactly what normalization is.

I think I had gotten normalization confused with neutralization. I've seen park neutralized stats, and they seem utterly useless. They certainly do not reflect the potential stats for a player if he was in a standard ballpark other than the one he played in during the season.

[Solonor]

Originally Posted by Charlie Hough

I think I had gotten normalization confused with neutralization. I've seen park neutralized stats, and they seem utterly useless. They certainly do not reflect the potential stats for a player if he was in a standard ballpark other than the one he played in during the season.

I'm certainly not the historical sim expert, but I think the two terms are being used interchangeably. Neutralized stats is what it's called in the game, but I'm pretty sure it's normalizing the ratings based on a "neutral" park. In other words, adjusting his ratings to be what they'd be without the help or hindrance of the parks he played in historically.