[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Bobbuttons

This shows how little that piece of garbage knows about my posting style. I have NEVER attacked any new forum member for asking questions. On the very rare occasion I ever respond to a new member asking questions, it's usually in my sarcastic and joking way and only in jest. I've never been confronted by a new member that was offended or ticked at anything I responded to their questions with. This absolutely can NOT be said about MD or The Wolf, or whatever he wants to call himself. Frankly, and I don't get offended very often, I was offended by the quoted post and the actions in highlighted. Despite his never being nothing but an ass toward me in my 8 years on this board, I have never publicly advocated his banning.

Oh, what a laugh. All you do, 24/7 is rag on MD or whoever else you don't like at the moment. I've never seen you contribute anything to this board except grief.

And here's a bet for you: pull MD's posts for the last quarter, and pull yours, and see who has been more insulting. Clue - it's you.

I won't make that same bet because I have been so frustrated here over the last quarter that you and I are about even. But I read what you post and what he posts and you are far, far, far more insulting, and consistently so.

[Déjà Bru]

Originally Posted by bosunmate

I guess there's no hope for this marriage, time to pack it in guys...

Yeah, I feel that lock coming down, down, down . . . CLICK!

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Bobbuttons

This shows how little that piece of garbage knows about my posting style.

Moderators - how does anyone get away with posting this? This would get you banned on a Halo forum, for Christ's sake.

[Déjà Bru]

CLICK, CLICK, CLICK! Triple-Lockdown for ultimate security (and tranquility ). Please!

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Bobbuttons

MD or The Wolf, or whatever he wants to call himself.

Different ISP, different person, similar views. Give it up. I might as well call you and Curtis the same person.

[Déjà Bru]

Where can I get a moderator application? (No offense, Wolf. It's just that I wish I could shut this baby down, right NOW.)

[CONN CHRIS]

That's enough of this. The message is rather clear, if you take umbrage slight or great with that message I suggest that you send a PM to Steve, Andreas or Markus.

[StyxNCa]

OK, my 2 cents.

These new members must not have much experience in forums or on the internet. One of the biggest drawbacks of communicating to strangers on-line is that we can not hear them. All we do is read what they say then in our head we add the tone of voice. Most of the time, it seems, we add a negative tone to anything that doesn't come across clearly. Even when a smiley face is added to the comment, some take that as someone making fun of them.

Most people who make comments are not trying to be insulting or make themselves seem "better" than the other person, so if the receiver of the comment "feels" he/she is being insulted then that is their problem.

I am not the greatest communicator and I do tend to be very direct and honest. Unfortunately, both of those traits are seen as being "aggressive" or "mean" by some people and that isn't my problem.

In my view, being direct SHOULD help cut down on having to repeat things because I am impatient about repeating things. If they don't understand what I said the first time, I try to find another way to state it so they can understand. I guess doing that can make them feel I am seeing them as stupid or whatever, but that just isn't the case.

So, if I understand this, by me trying to help, and them taking things wrong in their own head, they can report me for being rude or whatever.

Well, that just makes me NOT want to help new people.

I swear, so many people these days have to run to someone else to protect them because they are too thin skinned to handle things themselves.

I have received many, MANY responses to things I've said in the forums that I thought were a bit unnecessary, but so what. There are 2 options. Ignore it, or respond to them. The idea of running to someone to come protect me never crossed my mind. That's the nature of ANY forum, so if it bothers you, just stay out of forums. Seems simple enough. (Did anyone get offended by that?)

By the way, go ahead and rag on me for misspelling "member" in the title.

[targy]

I for one have never minded the treatment I have got on this site.

Good catch on the meber and no I won't chide you for the spelling I do not want it to seem that I am treating you with disrespect...LOL

No matter what you post there will always be someone who will think that they are being ripped. I have always enjoyed the help I got when I was new and I do hope that all the complaining will not change this forum in anyway

[eborix]

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

OK, my 2 cents.

These new members must not have much experience in forums or on the internet. One of the biggest drawbacks of communicating to strangers on-line is that we can not hear them. All we do is read what they say then in our head we add the tone of voice. Most of the time, it seems, we add a negative tone to anything that doesn't come across clearly. Even when a smiley face is added to the comment, some take that as someone making fun of them.

Most people who make comments are not trying to be insulting or make themselves seem "better" than the other person, so if the receiver of the comment "feels" he/she is being insulted then that is their problem.

I am not the greatest communicator and I do tend to be very direct and honest. Unfortunately, both of those traits are seen as being "aggressive" or "mean" by some people and that isn't my problem.

In my view, being direct SHOULD help cut down on having to repeat things because I am impatient about repeating things. If they don't understand what I said the first time, I try to find another way to state it so they can understand. I guess doing that can make them feel I am seeing them as stupid or whatever, but that just isn't the case.

So, if I understand this, by me trying to help, and them taking things wrong in their own head, they can report me for being rude or whatever.

Well, that just makes me NOT want to help new people.

I swear, so many people these days have to run to someone else to protect them because they are too thin skinned to handle things themselves.

I have received many, MANY responses to things I've said in the forums that I thought were a bit unnecessary, but so what. There are 2 options. Ignore it, or respond to them. The idea of running to someone to come protect me never crossed my mind. That's the nature of ANY forum, so if it bothers you, just stay out of forums. Seems simple enough. (Did anyone get offended by that?)

By the way, go ahead and rag on me for misspelling "member" in the title.

Seems to me its really both of your problems. You could be a little more tactful and they could be a little less sensitive. I think if both sides came down from their pedestals then it would be nicer for all of us. Not that I expect that will ever happen.

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by eborix

Seems to me its really both of your problems. You could be a little more tactful and they could be a little less sensitive. I think if both sides came down from their pedestals then it would be nicer for all of us. Not that I expect that will ever happen.

Being tactful means beating around the bush which leads to confusion in communication. Being direct in here when answering a question, well, they want a direct answer don't they? If you beat around the bush then they think you're messing with them too. So if you're going to be blamed for being rude or whatever no matter what you do, then you may as well take the direct route.

Besides, Conn Chris said it wasn't even the noobs complaining about it so I don't see where the issue is since he was talking about treating the noobs better. I am puzzled as to why he said that since he said it wasn't them complaining.



I can venture a guess at who it was.

I see a lot of people taking what someone says, turning it around in their own mind to say something completely different, then jumping all over the person who said it for offending them. I've had it happen to me and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.

I also know that if someone does offend you or belittle you, the worst thing you can do is respond to that person. Next thing you have is all out war. Just ignore them!

Anyway, if I have to worry about tippy-toeing so I don't accidentally hurt your feelings, I'd rather not bother trying to help.

[bosunmate]

My Grandma use to tell me, "if you don't have anything nice to say BE QUIET" It seems to me that society on a whole has become to thin skinned. Just look at the amount of rediculous law suits that are around..My self I'm glad I'm old school because I don't care what anyone says to me. On the other hand though I don't get involved with the nit picking that goes on here. I must add though that alot of these newbies come here act like spoiled brats if they don't like something. Not looking to stir anything up just wanted to throw my 2 cents worth. And that's about all its worth...Things always heat up here every year around release time..

[BruceM]

Why do you insist on beating a dead horse? This was discussed ad nauseum in the locked thread.

If you read everything, you'd see that nowhere did they say you're going to be blamed "no matter what you do"

Tell me something, if you met a new girl and were invited over to her house, how would you feel if her parents were less than polite with you?

You say new members don't have much experience in forums or the internet. So, is there something wrong with making them feel welcome and being a little extra nice to do so? Same as the girls parents. Wouldn't you feel better if they treated you a little extra nice to make you feel welcome?

And to quote you from your other post on this topic:

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

That is THEIR opinion of how people are being treated. It may not be the reality. If it isn't the noobs complaining, then what's the issue?

(See the bolded/underlined part) The same could be said about your opinion.

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by BruceM

Why do you insist on beating a dead horse? This was discussed ad nauseum in the locked thread.

If you read everything, you'd see that nowhere did they say you're going to be blamed "no matter what you do"

Tell me something, if you met a new girl and were invited over to her house, how would you feel if her parents were less than polite with you?

You say new members don't have much experience in forums or the internet. So, is there something wrong with making them feel welcome and being a little extra nice to do so? Same as the girls parents. Wouldn't you feel better if they treated you a little extra nice to make you feel welcome?

And to quote you from your other post on this topic:



(See the bolded/underlined part) The same could be said about your opinion.

Since I haven't been able to get on-line until today that thread was locked by the time I got on. I didn't realize I didn't have the right to express myself outside of the original forum. Excuse me for being so stupid!

And yes, same could be said about mine. So you decide, whose is correct?

As I said before, I am who I am, and the reason I am not a diplomat is because I tend to be blunt and if that is offensive to some....tough. Just ignore me. I'm not going to change just to keep from hurting someone's dainty feelings. I thought these were adults on here, not a bunch of 6 year old kids.

The problem is that apparently some people take some things the wrong way and then blame the person who said it rather than verify the intent. There is a lot of that on here and any other place where real personal contact is non existent.

[The Wolf]

I'm staying out of this.

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by BruceM

If you read everything, you'd see that nowhere did they say you're going to be blamed "no matter what you do"

Here is a good example of people not understanding what was said.

I did NOT say the moderators would blame me for anything. I said that some people on here will take things the wrong way regardless of what you say, so what's the point in expressing yourself in any way other than the way you normally express yourself. I don't have the time or desire to learn how to deal with each individual. I offend some and others aren't bothered by me. My life goes on.

Isn't there some way on here to put people on some kind of ignore list? If I bother you, do me the favor of adding me to it.

[eborix]

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

Here is a good example of people not understanding what was said.

I did NOT say the moderators would blame me for anything. I said that some people on here will take things the wrong way regardless of what you say, so what's the point in expressing yourself in any way other than the way you normally express yourself. I don't have the time or desire to learn how to deal with each individual. I offend some and others aren't bothered by me. My life goes on.

Isn't there some way on here to put people on some kind of ignore list? If I bother you, do me the favor of adding me to it.

If you see a question that you feel in dunb, or repetitive, or whatever else fires you up, instead of replying with a tactless answer that could be considered rude, you can also ignore it thereby avoiding the possibility of them complaining about how you answered.

Now I suppose I should emulate The Wolf and get out of the firing line.

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by eborix

If you see a question that you feel in dunb, or repetitive, or whatever else fires you up, instead of replying with a tactless answer that could be considered rude, you can also ignore it thereby avoiding the possibility of them complaining about how you answered.

Now I suppose I should emulate The Wolf and get out of the firing line.

Or maybe they should verify my intent before getting upset. It's really hard to hear tone of voice in a forum therefore extremely easy to misinterpret what was said. Some people's use of words or ways of saying things can come across as smarmy or whatever, but if they were actually heard it would be seen they aren't being smarmy. Heck, I have that problem even when some people hear me.

Then again, some people are just trying to be funny. Not me, of course. I have no sense of humor at all. Well actually I do. I just said that to be funny. It does lean toward the sarcastic side though. Wonder if that's why I get in trouble with some people at work sometimes?

[Antonin]

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

Being tactful means beating around the bush which leads to confusion in communication. Being direct in here when answering a question, well, they want a direct answer don't they? If you beat around the bush then they think you're messing with them too. So if you're going to be blamed for being rude or whatever no matter what you do, then you may as well take the direct route...

Anyway, if I have to worry about tippy-toeing so I don't accidentally hurt your feelings, I'd rather not bother trying to help...

Here's a thought: why not just speak to everyone on the internet the same way you would if you were speaking to them face-to-face? Is that so hard? Why is simple courtesy so difficult for so many people?

Far, far too many people on the net adopt a brusque 'tough guy' tone toward others simply because they can. The net is largely anonymous and people use it to say things to others that they would never, never, NEVER say to a person's face.

[Dargone]

Guuuhhh...