My opions/review

Falcon · 12-20-2003, 04:00 AM

Ok. I've been playing just about non-stop since the game was released, now... that's like 15 hours. Here's my list of pros and cons (if you haven't bought it yet, it might help you decide).

Pros:

Originality: As promised, its a very original game. I definately haven't played anything like it before.

The Bar: In and of itself, the bar is very neat.

Replayability: Just as far as being able to create a number of different players, and the different things that can happen to them, the game has good replay value.

Equipment: When you're in the minors, your saving every penny to maybe, MAYBE buy a new pair of batting gloves or a book about throwing a slider. While that may seem strange, you've got to think... minor leaguers don't get the equipment sponsorships that Barry Bonds does.

Cost: $19.95 for a new game is extremely reasonable, especially as an electronic stocking stuffer.

And, on top of all that, it's late December, and this is a baseball fix.

Cons:

The Bar: Ok. Like I said, in and of itself, its good. However, it seems to be more the focus of the game than baseball at times. Also... 18, 19, and 20 year olds can now walk into a bar and order a ton of alcohol in the USA? Excuse me, but I believe I missed a law or two here, since the US drinking age is 21. Despite that, my players who were drafted out of highschool can get as drunk as they want (with their manager, too), and the bartender never so much as asks for ID. That's a poor idea altogether. Heck, perhaps NOT allowing 18-20 year olds to drink could be a way to balance their broader potential.

No Manual: Ok, I know this is being worked on, but not having a manual at release? Come on. It's a fairly complex game (the basics are easy, but the finer points can be challenging, especially if you don't actually play baseball for a living).

Books: The setup for the books in the game strikes me as odd for one reason; the more advanced books are EASIER to learn. I would think that Volume One of something would be the basics ("this is how you grip the ball to throw a slider") while Volume 5 would be more advanced stuff ("this is the precise arm angle to achieve the maximum effectiveness from your curveball"). However, the lower level books are almost impossible to learn from (some Vol. 1s are like 6% chance of learning), while the last, most effective volumes will be mastered in one or two readings. Now, the later volumes also take much longer to read, but come on... if you can't copy the placement of finger to throw a split-finger fastball, the pitch isn't for you. It shouldn't take all that long or be that difficult.

RPG Elements: Ok. It was billed as an RPG and, frankly, its lacking in that department. Yeah, there's a point-buy character creation. But that's the only real RPG element. Maybe a bit during the game (Swing for the fence or bunt?) but those are, at best, inconsistent. You don't interact with anyone for more than a couple beers at the bar. It's not like you have some beers with the owner, he likes you, and next time he's easier to get cash from. You are not playing a role. You don't have REAL choices to make. Those are the things that make an RPG; not character customization or powerup equipment. Those are nice, but an RPG needs more.

Bugs: It's launch day. You expect bugs on launch day, and the game actually has very few of them. One of the big (glaring) ones is that, with a reasonable amount of speed, you can bat somewhere around 1.000 just by bunting. I don't know how that snuck by everyone, but it makes me feel guilty whenever I would normally drop a bunt down (for instance, with my light-hitting, lightning-fast centerfielder), because I know that it'll be a hit no matter what.

Yes, I expect to get a bunch of people telling me that the game is godly and that I shouldn't say anything bad about it. If you feel that way, why don't you write your own list instead? The game IS a good attempt. It IS worth the 20 bucks if you're looking for a baseball fix. It's addictive, but it can also be a quick, 15-minutes-before-work filler. And it's very original. It just isn't a be-all, end-all game.

Ultima007 · 12-20-2003, 04:07 AM

Why don't you post this in the suggestion forum where you post SUGGESTIONS. Or can you not read as well. A Little common sense please.

Falcon · 12-20-2003, 04:08 AM

Because it wasn't a suggestion. If they want to take suggestions from there, fine. But it's more for anyone who's considering buying the game. Hence why I'd call it a review.

Axxon · 12-20-2003, 04:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ultima007
Why don't you post this in the suggestion forum where you post SUGGESTIONS. Or can you not read as well. A Little common sense please.

Well, if he was actually suggesting something that would make sense wouldn't it? As he wasn't, then, well, it becomes just another Ultima007 post doesn't it??

Ultima007 · 12-20-2003, 04:10 AM

A review after only one day? Not a very good review then. Don't try and steer people away from this game otherwise you will be banned from this forum.

Falcon · 12-20-2003, 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Falcon
The game IS a good attempt. It IS worth the 20 bucks if you're looking for a baseball fix.

I wasn't aware that you spoke for OOTP Developments, Ultima007. However, as you can see, I actually recommended the game.

Or can you not read as well? A little common sense, please.

Axxon · 12-20-2003, 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ultima007
A review after only one day? Not a very good review then. Don't try and steer people away from this game otherwise you will be banned from this forum.

Well, he had to write to the lowest common denominator and since you've read it already I'd say he succeeded in that goal quite well actually.

Ultima007 · 12-20-2003, 04:15 AM

80% of your post is about "con" and is very negative. I have reported you to the moderator and he will consider you for prompt termination from these forums. You lack of common sense will be your downfall.

Falcon · 12-20-2003, 04:17 AM

Actually, I have 5 pros and 5 cons.

Queensryche · 12-20-2003, 04:20 AM

Good post Falcon. I agree with you on every point. The RPG thing especially...thats what I have been complaining about the most..like you said...you aren't playing a role...

This to me is like creating a player in OOTP5 and then watching him wherever he goes...but with the addition of personalized equipment. There is no real depth.

Ultima007 · 12-20-2003, 04:20 AM

Holy cow you have problems. Your 5 pros are 1 sentence each. your 5 cons are 1 paragraph each. Big difference retard. Too late, you will be banned. Think next time.

Axxon · 12-20-2003, 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ultima007
80% of your post is about "con" and is very negative. I have reported you to the moderator and he will consider you for prompt termination from these forums. You lack of common sense will be your downfall.

ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!

I_Got_Wood_34 · 12-20-2003, 04:23 AM

hence the $20 price tag

Mike D · 12-20-2003, 04:27 AM

Ultima007

ok, seriously dude, you got problems. Not just the spelling ones, but to jump on everyone who comes on here and constructively gives an opinion on the game. Calm down and read what people are saying before you react. If anyone is going to get banned, it's going to be you. Calling people retards isn't going to fly, and it's going to be your downfall. If you can make educated statements, then please do so. Otherwise, unplug the keyboard for us all....

Falcon · 12-20-2003, 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by I_Got_Wood_34
hence the $20 price tag

Precisely my point.

I'm sure Marcus and Steve and the rest of OOTP Developments realize that this game isn't perfect. They're professionals, and any professional knows that you won't get something 100% correct the first time out of the gate. Like I said, it's a good attempt, especially for something that's fairly groundbreaking. Given a year or two, ITP will probably be right up there with OOTP in both quality and price... which is as it should be. MOST companies will make a crappy game and sell it for $50 at Christmas; they made a solid game with lots of room for improvement, and sold it for $19.95 at Christmas.

I always write more about cons than I do about pros. The pros are good in and of themselves. The cons aren't bad all the way through, so I feel the need to point out just what IS bad with them. For instance, the books; I pointed out a small thing I dislike about them, because the idea as a whole is good.

Queensryche · 12-20-2003, 04:28 AM

As the game stands now....20 bucks is a rip off.

Ultima007 · 12-20-2003, 04:28 AM

Your tears could fill a river

CubbyFan23 · 12-20-2003, 04:30 AM

Okay, I've had enough, why hasn't this Ultima007 clown been banned yet again?

BasicGuy · 12-20-2003, 04:34 AM

Its a matter of time.(I hope not to much time though)

IatricSB · 12-20-2003, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ultima007
Too late, you will be banned.

12-20-2003, 04:00 AM	#1 (permalink)
Falcon Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 61	My opions/review Ok. I've been playing just about non-stop since the game was released, now... that's like 15 hours. Here's my list of pros and cons (if you haven't bought it yet, it might help you decide). Pros: Originality: As promised, its a very original game. I definately haven't played anything like it before. The Bar: In and of itself, the bar is very neat. Replayability: Just as far as being able to create a number of different players, and the different things that can happen to them, the game has good replay value. Equipment: When you're in the minors, your saving every penny to maybe, MAYBE buy a new pair of batting gloves or a book about throwing a slider. While that may seem strange, you've got to think... minor leaguers don't get the equipment sponsorships that Barry Bonds does. Cost: $19.95 for a new game is extremely reasonable, especially as an electronic stocking stuffer. And, on top of all that, it's late December, and this is a baseball fix. Cons: The Bar: Ok. Like I said, in and of itself, its good. However, it seems to be more the focus of the game than baseball at times. Also... 18, 19, and 20 year olds can now walk into a bar and order a ton of alcohol in the USA? Excuse me, but I believe I missed a law or two here, since the US drinking age is 21. Despite that, my players who were drafted out of highschool can get as drunk as they want (with their manager, too), and the bartender never so much as asks for ID. That's a poor idea altogether. Heck, perhaps NOT allowing 18-20 year olds to drink could be a way to balance their broader potential. No Manual: Ok, I know this is being worked on, but not having a manual at release? Come on. It's a fairly complex game (the basics are easy, but the finer points can be challenging, especially if you don't actually play baseball for a living). Books: The setup for the books in the game strikes me as odd for one reason; the more advanced books are EASIER to learn. I would think that Volume One of something would be the basics ("this is how you grip the ball to throw a slider") while Volume 5 would be more advanced stuff ("this is the precise arm angle to achieve the maximum effectiveness from your curveball"). However, the lower level books are almost impossible to learn from (some Vol. 1s are like 6% chance of learning), while the last, most effective volumes will be mastered in one or two readings. Now, the later volumes also take much longer to read, but come on... if you can't copy the placement of finger to throw a split-finger fastball, the pitch isn't for you. It shouldn't take all that long or be that difficult. RPG Elements: Ok. It was billed as an RPG and, frankly, its lacking in that department. Yeah, there's a point-buy character creation. But that's the only real RPG element. Maybe a bit during the game (Swing for the fence or bunt?) but those are, at best, inconsistent. You don't interact with anyone for more than a couple beers at the bar. It's not like you have some beers with the owner, he likes you, and next time he's easier to get cash from. You are not playing a role. You don't have REAL choices to make. Those are the things that make an RPG; not character customization or powerup equipment. Those are nice, but an RPG needs more. Bugs: It's launch day. You expect bugs on launch day, and the game actually has very few of them. One of the big (glaring) ones is that, with a reasonable amount of speed, you can bat somewhere around 1.000 just by bunting. I don't know how that snuck by everyone, but it makes me feel guilty whenever I would normally drop a bunt down (for instance, with my light-hitting, lightning-fast centerfielder), because I know that it'll be a hit no matter what. Yes, I expect to get a bunch of people telling me that the game is godly and that I shouldn't say anything bad about it. If you feel that way, why don't you write your own list instead? The game IS a good attempt. It IS worth the 20 bucks if you're looking for a baseball fix. It's addictive, but it can also be a quick, 15-minutes-before-work filler. And it's very original. It just isn't a be-all, end-all game.

12-20-2003, 04:27 AM	#14 (permalink)
Mike D Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a van, down by the river Posts: 2,245	Ultima007 ok, seriously dude, you got problems. Not just the spelling ones, but to jump on everyone who comes on here and constructively gives an opinion on the game. Calm down and read what people are saying before you react. If anyone is going to get banned, it's going to be you. Calling people retards isn't going to fly, and it's going to be your downfall. If you can make educated statements, then please do so. Otherwise, unplug the keyboard for us all.... __________________ Sometimes the best laid plans will never get you laid the way you plan.

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12-20-2003, 04:07 AM	#2 (permalink)
Ultima007 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Earth Posts: 38	Why don't you post this in the suggestion forum where you post SUGGESTIONS. Or can you not read as well. A Little common sense please.

12-20-2003, 04:08 AM	#3 (permalink)
Falcon Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 61	Because it wasn't a suggestion. If they want to take suggestions from there, fine. But it's more for anyone who's considering buying the game. Hence why I'd call it a review.

12-20-2003, 04:10 AM	#5 (permalink)
Ultima007 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Earth Posts: 38	A review after only one day? Not a very good review then. Don't try and steer people away from this game otherwise you will be banned from this forum.

12-20-2003, 04:15 AM	#8 (permalink)
Ultima007 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Earth Posts: 38	80% of your post is about "con" and is very negative. I have reported you to the moderator and he will consider you for prompt termination from these forums. You lack of common sense will be your downfall.

12-20-2003, 04:17 AM	#9 (permalink)
Falcon Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 61	Actually, I have 5 pros and 5 cons.

12-20-2003, 04:20 AM	#10 (permalink)
Queensryche Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 437	Good post Falcon. I agree with you on every point. The RPG thing especially...thats what I have been complaining about the most..like you said...you aren't playing a role... This to me is like creating a player in OOTP5 and then watching him wherever he goes...but with the addition of personalized equipment. There is no real depth.

12-20-2003, 04:20 AM	#11 (permalink)
Ultima007 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Earth Posts: 38	Holy cow you have problems. Your 5 pros are 1 sentence each. your 5 cons are 1 paragraph each. Big difference retard. Too late, you will be banned. Think next time.

12-20-2003, 04:23 AM	#13 (permalink)
I_Got_Wood_34 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 131	hence the $20 price tag

12-20-2003, 04:28 AM	#16 (permalink)
Queensryche Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 437	As the game stands now....20 bucks is a rip off.

12-20-2003, 04:28 AM	#17 (permalink)
Ultima007 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Earth Posts: 38	Your tears could fill a river

12-20-2003, 04:30 AM	#18 (permalink)
CubbyFan23 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: St. Louis, Missouri Posts: 1,393	Okay, I've had enough, why hasn't this Ultima007 clown been banned yet again?

12-20-2003, 04:34 AM	#19 (permalink)
BasicGuy Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ND Posts: 477	Its a matter of time.(I hope not to much time though)