Possibilities of improving sim speed?

Skipaway · 12-21-2003, 12:58 AM

Did this game use the same simulation engine as OOTP5?

In OOTP, every game log must be accurate to a point at least for multiple player leagues. However, in a game like ITP, I think it's only essential for games our main character is in? It's not like we actually know the ratings/talents for all the other players, so the simulation engine must be able to slim down quite a bit with shortcuts here and there. Lots of ancient baseball games on ancient computers can already generate box scores that look reasonable enough. Perhaps that's what this game should do instead of a OOTP-like sim.

Basically, speed is essential for games of this scale. I think the game could be quite more enjoyable with faster sims, and options like "sim till the next game", "sim till you finish the book", or "sim till the last day of the bid". Or just a plain "sim to date XXX".

dannyc · 12-21-2003, 01:00 AM

it sims a lot faster then ootp 5 for me...

Skipaway · 12-21-2003, 01:08 AM

I tried on two different computers. Fine on one, very slow on another.

The point is, I would be willing to wait for accurate results on OOTP, because I do care about every player and every team. I do not want to sacrifice the complicated relationships between stats and ratings for speed.

However, ITP is just a small RPG. Why would I care how a fighter in the other dungeon chopped down a troll while I'm busy throwing fireballs at goblins? At most, some easy simulation telling me the fighter killed 3 trolls and lost 20 HP would be enough, instead of the whole detailed story.

Steve Kuffrey · 12-21-2003, 01:11 AM

If you have virus software running, turn it off that will help. I know the reason why it runs so slow and hope to have this changed in a patch.

dannyc · 12-21-2003, 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve Kuffrey
If you have virus software running, turn it off that will help. I know the reason why it runs so slow and hope to have this changed in a patch.

It dosent run slow at all on my pc in fact the sims go Extremely fast

Possibly cause i have a good pc?

Skipaway · 12-21-2003, 01:19 AM

Or perhaps it's the difference in definition of "extremly fast"?

For the simple game structure right now, I'd even consider it more enjoyable if it forget all about the games outside the one you're in, and become a Palm OS game that can be finished in an hour if all games simmed. The internet bidding and drinking part does fit in with those kind of games.

dannyc · 12-21-2003, 01:21 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Skipaway
[b]Or perhaps it's the difference in definition of "extremly fast"?

it finishes simming a full month in like 1 minute and 20 seconds

Skipaway · 12-21-2003, 01:28 AM

[quote]Originally posted by dannyc
[b]

Quote:

Originally posted by Skipaway
Or perhaps it's the difference in definition of "extremly fast"?

it finishes simming a full month in like 1 minute and 20 seconds

And that's not slow for you?

For small games like this, I think 80 second would be slow even for a season. At most a second a day. There is not much to explore, and without good speed, it's not really replayable for me.

Skipaway · 12-21-2003, 01:30 AM

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Originally posted by Ultima007
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Are you trying to boost my post counts?

dannyc · 12-21-2003, 01:33 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Skipaway
[b]And that's not slow for you?

no not really it acctually dosent take that long but anyway i play like 55% of my games

Romsaer · 12-21-2003, 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skipaway
Or perhaps it's the difference in definition of "extremly fast"?

For the simple game structure right now, I'd even consider it more enjoyable if it forget all about the games outside the one you're in, and become a Palm OS game that can be finished in an hour if all games simmed. The internet bidding and drinking part does fit in with those kind of games.

While I agree with everything you say, I just turned off my virus checker and everything sped up by about four-five times. I don't know if I'd call it "extremely fast," given everything you've just said and how limited we are in what we can do (like if we were able to play multiple characters or something,) but it is much faster.

hukarez · 12-21-2003, 07:43 AM

For me, there's a bit of hesitation with the 'Finishing Week' dialog box that pops up. Then again, when the advancement towards the next year comes around...I end up waiting quite awhile for it to run it's cycle.

12-21-2003, 12:58 AM	#1 (permalink)
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 9,519	Possibilities of improving sim speed? Did this game use the same simulation engine as OOTP5? In OOTP, every game log must be accurate to a point at least for multiple player leagues. However, in a game like ITP, I think it's only essential for games our main character is in? It's not like we actually know the ratings/talents for all the other players, so the simulation engine must be able to slim down quite a bit with shortcuts here and there. Lots of ancient baseball games on ancient computers can already generate box scores that look reasonable enough. Perhaps that's what this game should do instead of a OOTP-like sim. Basically, speed is essential for games of this scale. I think the game could be quite more enjoyable with faster sims, and options like "sim till the next game", "sim till you finish the book", or "sim till the last day of the bid". Or just a plain "sim to date XXX". __________________ Confucius: The superior man does not recommend a man because of what he says, nor does he ignore what a man says because of his personality. ria: no

12-21-2003, 01:00 AM	#2 (permalink)
dannyc Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 163	it sims a lot faster then ootp 5 for me... __________________ Mets > all

12-21-2003, 01:08 AM	#3 (permalink)
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 9,519	I tried on two different computers. Fine on one, very slow on another. The point is, I would be willing to wait for accurate results on OOTP, because I do care about every player and every team. I do not want to sacrifice the complicated relationships between stats and ratings for speed. However, ITP is just a small RPG. Why would I care how a fighter in the other dungeon chopped down a troll while I'm busy throwing fireballs at goblins? At most, some easy simulation telling me the fighter killed 3 trolls and lost 20 HP would be enough, instead of the whole detailed story. __________________ Confucius: The superior man does not recommend a man because of what he says, nor does he ignore what a man says because of his personality. ria: no

12-21-2003, 01:11 AM	#4 (permalink)
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 16,908	If you have virus software running, turn it off that will help. I know the reason why it runs so slow and hope to have this changed in a patch. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays No longer an active league.

12-21-2003, 01:19 AM	#6 (permalink)
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 9,519	Or perhaps it's the difference in definition of "extremly fast"? For the simple game structure right now, I'd even consider it more enjoyable if it forget all about the games outside the one you're in, and become a Palm OS game that can be finished in an hour if all games simmed. The internet bidding and drinking part does fit in with those kind of games. __________________ Confucius: The superior man does not recommend a man because of what he says, nor does he ignore what a man says because of his personality. ria: no

12-21-2003, 01:21 AM	#7 (permalink)
dannyc Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 163	[quote]Originally posted by Skipaway [b]Or perhaps it's the difference in definition of "extremly fast"? it finishes simming a full month in like 1 minute and 20 seconds __________________ Mets > all

12-21-2003, 01:33 AM	#10 (permalink)
dannyc Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 163	[quote]Originally posted by Skipaway [b]And that's not slow for you? no not really it acctually dosent take that long but anyway i play like 55% of my games __________________ Mets > all

12-21-2003, 07:43 AM	#12 (permalink)
hukarez Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 113	For me, there's a bit of hesitation with the 'Finishing Week' dialog box that pops up. Then again, when the advancement towards the next year comes around...I end up waiting quite awhile for it to run it's cycle.

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