Two teams tied for first, no tie breaker scheduled

Cras · 06-07-2009, 12:02 PM

I just finished the 1879 National League, and two teams finished for first after the season was finished, and no tie-breaker game was scheduled. I am pretty sure v9 scheduled the one game playoff.

Kuttner · 06-07-2009, 02:44 PM

How do you have your playoffs set up? Often, the game won't have a playoff if there is nothing at stake in the seedings for the postseason.

Cras · 06-07-2009, 03:15 PM

It is one league, no divisions, eight teams, the team with the best record is the champs, no postseason.

The only reason I bring it up here, is because I am pretty sure that I had this same set up in v9 and had the tie-breaker scheduled. It seems that in v10 this time around, it gave the team with the better head to head record the championship, which is fine. I just restored the game from a backup and scheduled the tie breaker my self.

Its the fact that I thought it was in v9 and not in v10. Could be intentional for all i know.

pbar25 · 06-08-2009, 09:34 PM

interesting, I'm having the same issue.

I know we used to have an issue with meaningless tie-breaker games for 2nd place when the playoffs was disabled.
It appears the fix may have been to eliminate all tie-breaker games within a no-playoff format?

Cras · 06-08-2009, 09:49 PM

Like I said before, in my situation the game awarded the league championship to the team that won the head to head battle.

As I have yet to get a tie for first again so far, I am not sure if that is always the case.

My guess is that you are right pbar25, that the fix was to just eliminate all tie breaker games for no playoff leagues, which is alright by me, as long as I remember to schedule the tie-breaker game myself.

endgame · 06-15-2009, 10:04 AM

Can you give me your current take on this, Cras? Is this issue manageable on the user end then without it being logged as a problem? Is this an area that we'll need to put on the list for an update to the manual section, if it's not in there already?

Cras · 06-15-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by endgame

Can you give me your current take on this, Cras? Is this issue manageable on the user end then without it being logged as a problem? Is this an area that we'll need to put on the list for an update to the manual section, if it's not in there already?

It is definately user manageable, as long as the user knows and remembers to do it. A notation in the manual that when a player selects to disable playoffs that it will then disable all first place tiebreaker matchups (and then confirms that it is indeed the head to head record that determins the champion) is all that is required in my opinion.

endgame · 06-15-2009, 12:05 PM

Great. Thanks for the feedback. I'll close this then and send a note to Steve with regard to the manual suggestion.

battists · 06-18-2009, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cras

It is definately user manageable, as long as the user knows and remembers to do it. A notation in the manual that when a player selects to disable playoffs that it will then disable all first place tiebreaker matchups (and then confirms that it is indeed the head to head record that determins the champion) is all that is required in my opinion.

I added a note to the manual to this effect. Thanks!

06-07-2009, 12:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
Cras Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: LEO Posts: 3,343 Thanks: 321 Thanked 233x in 136 posts	Two teams tied for first, no tie breaker scheduled I just finished the 1879 National League, and two teams finished for first after the season was finished, and no tie-breaker game was scheduled. I am pretty sure v9 scheduled the one game playoff. __________________ The Chicago White Sox 1906, 1917, 2005 World Series Champions 1900, 1901, 1906, 1917, 1919, 1959, 2005 American League Champions 2000, 2005, 2008 American League Central Division Champions 1983, 1993 American League West Division Champions OOTP \| Orbiter \| SSMS \| FSX \| MLP:FIM!

06-07-2009, 02:44 PM	#2 (permalink)
Kuttner Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Arlington, MA Posts: 253 Thanks: 89 Thanked 15x in 14 posts	How do you have your playoffs set up? Often, the game won't have a playoff if there is nothing at stake in the seedings for the postseason. __________________ Baseball Haiku: The Best Haiku Ever Written About the Game

06-07-2009, 03:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
Cras Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: LEO Posts: 3,343 Thanks: 321 Thanked 233x in 136 posts	It is one league, no divisions, eight teams, the team with the best record is the champs, no postseason. The only reason I bring it up here, is because I am pretty sure that I had this same set up in v9 and had the tie-breaker scheduled. It seems that in v10 this time around, it gave the team with the better head to head record the championship, which is fine. I just restored the game from a backup and scheduled the tie breaker my self. Its the fact that I thought it was in v9 and not in v10. Could be intentional for all i know. __________________ The Chicago White Sox 1906, 1917, 2005 World Series Champions 1900, 1901, 1906, 1917, 1919, 1959, 2005 American League Champions 2000, 2005, 2008 American League Central Division Champions 1983, 1993 American League West Division Champions OOTP \| Orbiter \| SSMS \| FSX \| MLP:FIM!

06-08-2009, 09:34 PM	#4 (permalink)
pbar25 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 335 Thanks: 13 Thanked 6x in 5 posts	interesting, I'm having the same issue. I know we used to have an issue with meaningless tie-breaker games for 2nd place when the playoffs was disabled. It appears the fix may have been to eliminate all tie-breaker games within a no-playoff format? __________________ New York Mets - Asahi2 Baseball

06-08-2009, 09:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
Cras Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: LEO Posts: 3,343 Thanks: 321 Thanked 233x in 136 posts	Like I said before, in my situation the game awarded the league championship to the team that won the head to head battle. As I have yet to get a tie for first again so far, I am not sure if that is always the case. My guess is that you are right pbar25, that the fix was to just eliminate all tie breaker games for no playoff leagues, which is alright by me, as long as I remember to schedule the tie-breaker game myself. __________________ The Chicago White Sox 1906, 1917, 2005 World Series Champions 1900, 1901, 1906, 1917, 1919, 1959, 2005 American League Champions 2000, 2005, 2008 American League Central Division Champions 1983, 1993 American League West Division Champions OOTP \| Orbiter \| SSMS \| FSX \| MLP:FIM!

06-15-2009, 10:04 AM	#6 (permalink)
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 10,771 Thanks: 894 Thanked 756x in 429 posts	Can you give me your current take on this, Cras? Is this issue manageable on the user end then without it being logged as a problem? Is this an area that we'll need to put on the list for an update to the manual section, if it's not in there already? __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

06-15-2009, 12:05 PM	#8 (permalink)
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 10,771 Thanks: 894 Thanked 756x in 429 posts	Great. Thanks for the feedback. I'll close this then and send a note to Steve with regard to the manual suggestion. __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

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