Various problems in the financials.txt file

ctorg · 06-07-2009, 07:28 PM

The financials.txt file is really quite messed up. There are a couple of issues I've seen logged, but a couple I haven't. Here are issues I've seen:

1. The header row has lots of extra " marks all over, which screws up opening the file in Excel. (not logged)
2. The media contract numbers seem ridiculously low for every year. I mean, the game's default is $25 million, and in the financial.txt file it never gets past the $600K range. (not logged)
3. The 2009 line is missing cash maximum, which throws all the other values off (logged).

There may be other issues I haven't found. This file needs to be redone.

Le Grande Orange · 06-08-2009, 02:52 AM

In regards to #2, the values in the file were selected so that relatively era-appropriate player salaries would be generated. To get that, much of the other financial data must, of necessity, depart from reality quite a bit.

Spritze authored the new financials.txt file with the above goal in mind. In his testing it achieved the goal, or at least, better than the prior financials.txt file did.

Realistic figures in all the various financial areas (e.g. ticket prices, media revenue, player salaries, etc.) is going to have to wait until the financial model in OOTP is redone, as I don't think the current system is robust enough to do it.

Nutlaw · 06-11-2009, 07:10 PM

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ctorg · 06-11-2009, 08:33 PM

Sorry for the lack of reply - reopening and moving.

The problem for me is that the 2009 numbers in the roster set that comes with the game seem to work fine, yet the 2009 numbers in the file are very different. Why not base the historical figures on 2009 numbers that are like the roster set?

Spritze · 06-12-2009, 02:05 AM

The 2009 line was added by an unknown contributor and is just plain wrong. Many of that lines numbers are misstypes and/or comma delimiters were messed up. I suspect a fix will appear in the patch.

ctorg · 06-12-2009, 10:42 AM

Even then, the 2008 line is a departure from the set that comes with the game.

ryanivr · 06-12-2009, 01:43 PM

Also...there is another issue here. Let's say I switch the league settings to 1918, and then go back to 2009. The Traditional PCM's *DONT* switch back to 2009, they stay at 1918, or whatever year you went to.

Edit: Just saw that if you try and go to 2009 or 2008, it won't switch, but if you go to 2007, it will.

Nutlaw · 06-23-2009, 01:54 PM

Are you still having any trouble with new leagues created with 10.2.16?

ctorg · 06-23-2009, 11:42 PM

I'm away from home and won't be back until tomorrow night. Haven't downloaded a patch yet. I'll see then, I suppose.

Nutlaw · 06-28-2009, 10:02 AM

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06-07-2009, 07:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 9,701 Thanked 91x in 51 posts	Various problems in the financials.txt file The financials.txt file is really quite messed up. There are a couple of issues I've seen logged, but a couple I haven't. Here are issues I've seen: 1. The header row has lots of extra " marks all over, which screws up opening the file in Excel. (not logged) 2. The media contract numbers seem ridiculously low for every year. I mean, the game's default is $25 million, and in the financial.txt file it never gets past the $600K range. (not logged) 3. The 2009 line is missing cash maximum, which throws all the other values off (logged). There may be other issues I haven't found. This file needs to be redone. __________________ THE VERY US ARTISTS - A project for musicians and visual artists My music Currently reading: Thirteen by Richard Morgan "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

06-08-2009, 02:52 AM	#2 (permalink)
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Scheduleslovakia Posts: 9,849 Thanked 1,010x in 586 posts	In regards to #2, the values in the file were selected so that relatively era-appropriate player salaries would be generated. To get that, much of the other financial data must, of necessity, depart from reality quite a bit. Spritze authored the new financials.txt file with the above goal in mind. In his testing it achieved the goal, or at least, better than the prior financials.txt file did. Realistic figures in all the various financial areas (e.g. ticket prices, media revenue, player salaries, etc.) is going to have to wait until the financial model in OOTP is redone, as I don't think the current system is robust enough to do it. __________________ . "We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things not because they are easy, but because they are hard. Because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our abilities and skills, because that challenge is one we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win." .

06-11-2009, 07:10 PM	#3 (permalink)
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,526 Thanked 102x in 62 posts	As we have seen no reply from the original poster in three days, this thread will be closed for housekeeping reasons. If you need any further assistance with this matter, please post once more in Tech Support with a link to this thread and we will do our best to help you figure out a solution. __________________ BJHL: GM of the Manhattan Crime Occasional Contributor to The Cardinal Nation

06-11-2009, 08:33 PM	#4 (permalink)
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 9,701 Thanked 91x in 51 posts	Sorry for the lack of reply - reopening and moving. The problem for me is that the 2009 numbers in the roster set that comes with the game seem to work fine, yet the 2009 numbers in the file are very different. Why not base the historical figures on 2009 numbers that are like the roster set? __________________ THE VERY US ARTISTS - A project for musicians and visual artists My music Currently reading: Thirteen by Richard Morgan "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

06-12-2009, 10:42 AM	#6 (permalink)
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 9,701 Thanked 91x in 51 posts	Even then, the 2008 line is a departure from the set that comes with the game. __________________ THE VERY US ARTISTS - A project for musicians and visual artists My music Currently reading: Thirteen by Richard Morgan "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

06-12-2009, 02:05 AM	#5 (permalink)
Spritze Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Wa and Cape Coast Ghana Posts: 2,817 Thanked 306x in 217 posts	The 2009 line was added by an unknown contributor and is just plain wrong. Many of that lines numbers are misstypes and/or comma delimiters were messed up. I suspect a fix will appear in the patch.

06-12-2009, 01:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
ryanivr All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 704 Thanked 36x in 26 posts	Also...there is another issue here. Let's say I switch the league settings to 1918, and then go back to 2009. The Traditional PCM's DONT switch back to 2009, they stay at 1918, or whatever year you went to. Edit: Just saw that if you try and go to 2009 or 2008, it won't switch, but if you go to 2007, it will. Last edited by ryanivr; 06-12-2009 at 01:44 PM.

06-23-2009, 01:54 PM	#8 (permalink)
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,526 Thanked 102x in 62 posts	Are you still having any trouble with new leagues created with 10.2.16? __________________ BJHL: GM of the Manhattan Crime Occasional Contributor to The Cardinal Nation

06-23-2009, 11:42 PM	#9 (permalink)
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 9,701 Thanked 91x in 51 posts	I'm away from home and won't be back until tomorrow night. Haven't downloaded a patch yet. I'll see then, I suppose. __________________ THE VERY US ARTISTS - A project for musicians and visual artists My music Currently reading: Thirteen by Richard Morgan "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

06-28-2009, 10:02 AM	#10 (permalink)
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,526 Thanked 102x in 62 posts	As we have seen no reply from the original poster in three days, this thread will be closed for housekeeping reasons. If you need any further assistance with this matter, please post once more in Tech Support with a link to this thread and we will do our best to help you figure out a solution. __________________ BJHL: GM of the Manhattan Crime Occasional Contributor to The Cardinal Nation

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