RBI incorrectly credited

Waninski · 10-27-2009, 01:29 PM

Here was the situation I just experienced:

Runner on second base, one out. The batter hits a ground ball to third base, which is bobbled for an error. The batter reaches first base and is not credited with a hit. On the play, the runner on second advances to third and somehow comes across to score. The batter is also credited with an RBI.

I really can't imagine how an RBI can be credited in this situation if no hit is awarded. I'm chalking it up as a mistake.

Waninski · 11-05-2009, 07:21 PM

Piggybacking off my original post here. Sorry to bump this. I'm beginning to see what seems to be a consistent scoring error made by the game in terms of improperly awarding RBIs on run-scoring plays when an error is made by a fielder.

In a somewhat similar play to my original post, I had bases loaded with two outs. My batter hit a slow chopper down the first base line, which the pitcher fielded. The pitcher made a bad throw to first base that the PbP announced went out of play and into the stands, allowing the runners from second and third to both score (The game log shows this play as "Reached on error, E1 (Groundball, 23)").

The batter was awarded two RBIs for the two runs scoring on the play, but it should be noted that he was not credited with a hit. So, check your scoring rules if you'd like, but there should be no RBI awarded in this situation if the runners score by virtue of a straight error with two outs.

I know this is pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things and that the developers don't exactly consider this type of minute scoring mistake a hugely pressing concern, but as a self-admitted stickler for this stuff, I would really love to see future versions of the game fix this for greater statistical accuracy. I would hate to see a situation where someone wins an RBI championship on an RBI awarded on a two-out error.

Thanks for looking into this, guys.

SteveP · 11-06-2009, 02:14 PM

Again, with full disclosure: I'm no expert.

I think you are correct about the rules, if the play on the batter would have been the 3rd out, except for the error. IOW, the run would not have scored except for the error. Otherwise, I believe the batter would get the RBI -- just has he would have gotten the RBI if he'd been thrown out. A safe hit is not required in order to get credited with an RBI (as also in the case if he had bunted or hit a fly ball to the OF).

10.04 (a) Credit the batter with a run batted in for every run which reaches home base because of the batter's safe hit, sacrifice bunt, sacrifice fly, infield out or fielder's choice; or which is forced over the plate by reason of the batter becoming a runner with the bases full (on a base on balls, or an award of first base for being touched by a pitched ball, or for interference or obstruction).

(2) Credit a run batted in for the run scored when, before two are out, an error is made on a play on which a runner from third base ordinarily would score.

If you have seen the game give a batter the RBI on an error with two outs, it would be great if you could post a screen shot. If the game is getting that wrong, I'm pretty confident that Markus would fix it at the next reasonable opportunity.

Waninski · 11-06-2009, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveP

Again, with full disclosure: I'm no expert.

I think you are correct about the rules, if the play on the batter would have been the 3rd out, except for the error. IOW, the run would not have scored except for the error. Otherwise, I believe the batter would get the RBI -- just has he would have gotten the RBI if he'd been thrown out. A safe hit is not required in order to get credited with an RBI (as also in the case if he had bunted or hit a fly ball to the OF).

10.04 (a) Credit the batter with a run batted in for every run which reaches home base because of the batter's safe hit, sacrifice bunt, sacrifice fly, infield out or fielder's choice; or which is forced over the plate by reason of the batter becoming a runner with the bases full (on a base on balls, or an award of first base for being touched by a pitched ball, or for interference or obstruction).

(2) Credit a run batted in for the run scored when, before two are out, an error is made on a play on which a runner from third base ordinarily would score.

If you have seen the game give a batter the RBI on an error with two outs, it would be great if you could post a screen shot. If the game is getting that wrong, I'm pretty confident that Markus would fix it at the next reasonable opportunity.

Yes, indeed the play happened when there were two outs. So no RBI should be awarded.

With all due respect, I'm not sure what kind of screenshot I could provide other than just the box score, which shows that the batter was credited with 4 RBI during the particular game I'm referencing. IIRC, he had a two-run base hit earlier in the game, and then this two-run error. The game log, alternatively, does not specify if an RBI is awarded.

If this box score would help, please let me know and I can try to post it.

SteveP · 11-06-2009, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waninski

I'm not sure what kind of screenshot I could provide other than just the box score

Sorry, didn't think it through. Markus should be able to figure out if the game is screwing up on this, just by looking at the code. At least, I assume so.

I've posted a bug report: BZ3621. Hopefully someone will come along to post this in logged issues at some point.

Waninski · 11-06-2009, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveP

Sorry, didn't think it through. Markus should be able to figure out if the game is screwing up on this, just by looking at the code. At least, I assume so.

I've posted a bug report: BZ3621. Hopefully someone will come along to post this in logged issues at some point.

Great. Thanks so much.

Waninski · 11-07-2009, 03:54 PM

If I may post another example of this happening. Coincidentally, the same batter who I referenced in my second post in this thread, who was incorrectly awarded two RBI after reaching on a two-out error, just did it again!

I had runners on second and third with two out, this same batter hits a ground ball to the SS, the ball is booted, everyone is safe, and one run scores. The batter is awarded yet another erroneous RBI via the two-out error. It's actually becoming kind of funny, but I'll take the runs!

Hope this helps.

10-27-2009, 01:29 PM	#1 (permalink)
Waninski All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 582 Thanked 6x in 4 posts	RBI incorrectly credited Here was the situation I just experienced: Runner on second base, one out. The batter hits a ground ball to third base, which is bobbled for an error. The batter reaches first base and is not credited with a hit. On the play, the runner on second advances to third and somehow comes across to score. The batter is also credited with an RBI. I really can't imagine how an RBI can be credited in this situation if no hit is awarded. I'm chalking it up as a mistake. __________________ "Pitching, Defense, and the Three-Run Homer."

11-05-2009, 07:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
Waninski All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 582 Thanked 6x in 4 posts	Piggybacking off my original post here. Sorry to bump this. I'm beginning to see what seems to be a consistent scoring error made by the game in terms of improperly awarding RBIs on run-scoring plays when an error is made by a fielder. In a somewhat similar play to my original post, I had bases loaded with two outs. My batter hit a slow chopper down the first base line, which the pitcher fielded. The pitcher made a bad throw to first base that the PbP announced went out of play and into the stands, allowing the runners from second and third to both score (The game log shows this play as "Reached on error, E1 (Groundball, 23)"). The batter was awarded two RBIs for the two runs scoring on the play, but it should be noted that he was not credited with a hit. So, check your scoring rules if you'd like, but there should be no RBI awarded in this situation if the runners score by virtue of a straight error with two outs. I know this is pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things and that the developers don't exactly consider this type of minute scoring mistake a hugely pressing concern, but as a self-admitted stickler for this stuff, I would really love to see future versions of the game fix this for greater statistical accuracy. I would hate to see a situation where someone wins an RBI championship on an RBI awarded on a two-out error. Thanks for looking into this, guys. __________________ "Pitching, Defense, and the Three-Run Homer."

11-07-2009, 03:54 PM	#7 (permalink)
Waninski All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 582 Thanked 6x in 4 posts	If I may post another example of this happening. Coincidentally, the same batter who I referenced in my second post in this thread, who was incorrectly awarded two RBI after reaching on a two-out error, just did it again! I had runners on second and third with two out, this same batter hits a ground ball to the SS, the ball is booted, everyone is safe, and one run scores. The batter is awarded yet another erroneous RBI via the two-out error. It's actually becoming kind of funny, but I'll take the runs! Hope this helps. __________________ "Pitching, Defense, and the Three-Run Homer."

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11-06-2009, 02:14 PM	#3 (permalink)
SteveP Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,768 Thanked 260x in 197 posts	Again, with full disclosure: I'm no expert. I think you are correct about the rules, if the play on the batter would have been the 3rd out, except for the error. IOW, the run would not have scored except for the error. Otherwise, I believe the batter would get the RBI -- just has he would have gotten the RBI if he'd been thrown out. A safe hit is not required in order to get credited with an RBI (as also in the case if he had bunted or hit a fly ball to the OF). 10.04 (a) Credit the batter with a run batted in for every run which reaches home base because of the batter's safe hit, sacrifice bunt, sacrifice fly, infield out or fielder's choice; or which is forced over the plate by reason of the batter becoming a runner with the bases full (on a base on balls, or an award of first base for being touched by a pitched ball, or for interference or obstruction). (2) Credit a run batted in for the run scored when, before two are out, an error is made on a play on which a runner from third base ordinarily would score. If you have seen the game give a batter the RBI on an error with two outs, it would be great if you could post a screen shot. If the game is getting that wrong, I'm pretty confident that Markus would fix it at the next reasonable opportunity.