Advice?

tangotiger · 04-16-2009, 10:29 PM

I noticed a couple of threads that reference my work as some inspiration (and confusion?) for the innards of OOTP.

If Markus or whoever is responsible for maintaining the engine wants to bounce ideas or try to get more clarification on anything that may be a source of disagreement, please email me directly, and I'll try to help.

I only stop by here once in a blue moon (mostly because this site is blocked at the office, and I don't have much time at night), so email will work better.

tom~tangotiger~net

(Change the ~ as appropriate.)

battists · 04-16-2009, 10:31 PM

Tom,

Thanks for posting. I'll be sure to make sure Markus sees this, and he can reach out to you if he has any questions!

RonCo · 04-17-2009, 08:21 AM

Yay!

Malleus Dei · 04-17-2009, 12:02 PM

Tom:

I am a huge fan of The Book. I played baseball from grade school through college through semi-pro and did some coaching and managing and have always thought I knew a Hell of a lot about the game. But The Book taught me that some things I just knew were true were actually false, and that some things that I just knew were false were actually true. For that wisdom alone I thank you and the other authors, Tom, from the bottom of an old third baseman's heart.

But that's not important. What is important is that there are strategic pointers in The Book that should be - Hell, need to be - applied directly to the OOTP AI. The lessons about lineups, in-game strategies, pitching choices - it all needs to be programmed in. Markus has always been clever, and I hope that for the good of the game and of baseball sims in general that he takes you up on your offer and makes OOTP reflect the reality you have showed the world about baseball in The Book.

And to those OOTP players out there who haven't read The Book yet: go get a copy. You will know more, understand more, and manage far better.

Malleus Dei · 04-17-2009, 12:04 PM

I urge any of you who haven't read it yet to get a copy today.

Amazon.com: The Book: Playing the Percentages in Baseball: Tom M. Tango, Mitchel Lichtman, Andrew Dolphin, Pete Palmer: Books

jarmenia · 04-17-2009, 07:53 PM

Following RonCo's lead from previous betas, I'm currently using Tom's insight on player development curves in the OOTP X beta and have been quite successful. His insight would be very helpful in many of the areas I am working with Markus.

And yes, his book "The Book" is an excellent read.

Faaip De Oiad · 04-17-2009, 09:54 PM

For those that have Books A Million, they have copies.

Afino · 04-17-2009, 11:54 PM

Well, at least we know Tango wants to help make the game better.

Now the next question is, will Markus reach out to ask for help or just to bounce ideas off of? We can hope.

I'm a proud owner of The Book as well.

happyharrell · 04-18-2009, 12:57 AM

After checking out the book's site and reading a couple chapter intros...I mean, is it just me or is "The Book" quite possibly more helpful to gambling than coaching?

His Own Bad Self · 04-18-2009, 01:26 AM

Perhaps. Then again, gambling on baseball at all seems to be a fool's errand given the unpredictable nature of each contest.

Speaking of The Book, I have it and love it, but wonder if the conclusions might be different for the last three or four years, and if so, how different. I think the studies in The Book covered from about 1999-2002 - I don't quite remember.

Malleus Dei · 04-20-2009, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by happyharrell

After checking out the book's site and reading a couple chapter intros...I mean, is it just me or is "The Book" quite possibly more helpful to gambling than coaching?

I sure didn't think so.

RchW · 04-20-2009, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by happyharrell

After checking out the book's site and reading a couple chapter intros...I mean, is it just me or is "The Book" quite possibly more helpful to gambling than coaching?

I'd be interested in what information one would get from it that would help a gambler?

rdomico · 04-20-2009, 10:59 AM

I just ordered the book. I look forward to reading it.

Malleus Dei · 04-20-2009, 03:04 PM

Look forward even more to learning from it.

satchel · 04-20-2009, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by happyharrell

After checking out the book's site and reading a couple chapter intros...I mean, is it just me or is "The Book" quite possibly more helpful to gambling than coaching?

Considering that The Book tells you how things should ideally be done, as opposed to how things are actually done, it is of zero aid to a gambler. Unless he wants to analyze the behavior of real-life managers, and see whose decisions play the odds the most accurately.

Matt Uk · 04-20-2009, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by satchel

Considering that The Book tells you how things should ideally be done, as opposed to how things are actually done, it is of zero aid to a gambler.

That's actually not true at all. Things like the % chance of a run being scored from certain positions can be used to make informed decisions on betting on baseball during the game, which can be done here in the UK and most of Europe. I guess that's probably not much help for anyone living in America as despite being the land of the free and able to bear arms, it's illegal to gamble online I believe.

satchel · 04-20-2009, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Uk

Things like the % chance of a run being scored from certain positions can be used to make informed decisions on betting on baseball during the game, which can be done here in the UK and most of Europe.

You're absolutely right. I was not referring to betting on during-game events at all, but was speaking of betting on game outcomes: who wins, and by how much.

Matt Uk · 04-20-2009, 06:04 PM

Ah I see, sorry misunderstood where you were coming from.

RchW · 04-20-2009, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Uk

That's actually not true at all. Things like the % chance of a run being scored from certain positions can be used to make informed decisions on betting on baseball during the game, which can be done here in the UK and most of Europe. I guess that's probably not much help for anyone living in America as despite being the land of the free and able to bear arms, it's illegal to gamble online I believe.

I'd really like to know if anyone could focus well enough to bet on baseball outcomes even with the help of "The Book" and actually stand a snowballs chance of making money consistently.

A mug's game either way.

satchel · 04-20-2009, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Uk

Ah I see, sorry misunderstood where you were coming from.

I'm a gambling n00b, what can I say.

04-16-2009, 10:29 PM	#1 (permalink)
tangotiger Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 33 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3x in 2 posts	Advice? I noticed a couple of threads that reference my work as some inspiration (and confusion?) for the innards of OOTP. If Markus or whoever is responsible for maintaining the engine wants to bounce ideas or try to get more clarification on anything that may be a source of disagreement, please email me directly, and I'll try to help. I only stop by here once in a blue moon (mostly because this site is blocked at the office, and I don't have much time at night), so email will work better. tom~tangotiger~net (Change the ~ as appropriate.) __________________ THE BOOK--Playing The Percentages In Baseball http://www.InsideTheBook.com

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battists OOTP Developments Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 17,189 Blog Entries: 7 Thanks: 31 Thanked 776x in 220 posts	Tom, Thanks for posting. I'll be sure to make sure Markus sees this, and he can reach out to you if he has any questions! __________________ Buy our games! \|\| Follow us on Twitter \|\| Follow us on Facebook! OOTP Knowledge Base \|\| Get Technical Support Note: I am currently on hiatus from my OOTP Developments duties. If you need help, please go through the Support Central link above!

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happyharrell Minors (Single A) Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 83 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	After checking out the book's site and reading a couple chapter intros...I mean, is it just me or is "The Book" quite possibly more helpful to gambling than coaching?

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His Own Bad Self All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,209 Blog Entries: 12 Thanks: 15 Thanked 14x in 9 posts	Perhaps. Then again, gambling on baseball at all seems to be a fool's errand given the unpredictable nature of each contest. Speaking of The Book, I have it and love it, but wonder if the conclusions might be different for the last three or four years, and if so, how different. I think the studies in The Book covered from about 1999-2002 - I don't quite remember.

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Matt Uk Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: UK Posts: 118 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Ah I see, sorry misunderstood where you were coming from.