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Old 04-24-2009, 12:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Talking This is exactly what I want in an in game email

The attached file is what I was trying to explain last year and no one really wanted to make a utility. So here is what Bill James sends out and this is what you should get before each game. This should not be hard at all.
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Old 04-24-2009, 12:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I'd vote for putting something like that into OOTP X.

It wouldn't be hard to do and would add a lot to the game.

Trust Bill James to get it right.
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Old 04-24-2009, 02:50 PM   #3 (permalink)
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As long as it was an option that could be disabled. If you're the commish of an online league simming 7 or 10 or 15 games, that a lot of emails, and basically not of much value to an owner after the fact.
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This makes more sense to me as a pre-game screen when playing out your games. I could also see it as being generated just once prior to a series with another team. No need to send it out again if you're playing the same team.
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That's cool, but haven't the significance of individual-batter-vs-individual-pitcher statistics been debunked?
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Old 04-24-2009, 03:54 PM   #6 (permalink)
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That's cool, but haven't the significance of individual-batter-vs-individual-pitcher statistics been debunked?
Ask BPS.
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That would be a pretty easy mod to make, I'm just not sure of its helpfulness in game.

Even if certain guys hit certain pitchers better, does this hold true in OOTP?

If a guy on your bench with a 20 contact rating happened to be 4 for 5 against the reliever just brought in, does that necessarily mean he'll have a better shot than the guy on the bench with a 50 contact rating but is 1 for 5 against the reliever?

Also, the logistics of the mod would make this not worth the trouble (IMO). You'd have to export your .csv's before every series/game to get an updated report.
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That's cool, but haven't the significance of individual-batter-vs-individual-pitcher statistics been debunked?
This is what I was thinking
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I think the ability to select a group of email and delete them (instead of having to do one at a time) would be a hell of a lot more useful.
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Let's explore the irony of folks like MD thinking it would be cool to have this sort of information.
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Let's explore the irony of folks like MD thinking it would be cool to have this sort of information.
What kind of folks is that? Veteran OOTP players who actually played the game in real life? OOTP players who play out every game? Surviving Earl Weaver beta testers?
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What kind of folks is that? Veteran OOTP players who actually played the game in real life? OOTP players who play out every game? Surviving Earl Weaver beta testers?
No. I'm talking about you.

Why do you want to get the information referred to by the OP if, in the real world, it is just randomness?

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Check out the game previews on Baseball-reference.com

100x better then that email and all information that's in OOTP already

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What kind of folks is that? Veteran OOTP players who actually played the game in real life? OOTP players who play out every game? Surviving Earl Weaver beta testers?
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Debunked in what way?
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Even if certain guys hit certain pitchers better, does this hold true in OOTP?
Unless something has changed in the last few years it does. At least according to Markus a few years back.
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Unless something has changed in the last few years it does. At least according to Markus a few years back.
jarmenia is right. I remember Markus saying that there would randomly be a few hitters who 'own' a particular pitcher, and vice versa. He indicated that this was a 'hidden rating' (I like hidden ratings), and players would have to infer from their observations which matchups it applied to. My impression was that this applied to fictional players, not historical, but I could be wrong.

As long as it IS 'just a few', I think this is neat, even though there's no empirical evidence to support it in real life. Nearly every retired player interviewed can name one player he 'owned' and one who 'owned' him. Considering that most of the players I've seen discuss this had very long careers, random chance would usually account for this (that there would be one or two outliers above and one or two below the players' means).

Interestingly, most of the mentions of this in interviews that I've read are about the times when the player beat the guy who 'owned' him or (less often) lost to the guy he 'owned', not when the encounter went as expected.
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I remember Markus saying that there would randomly be a few hitters who 'own' a particular pitcher, and vice versa. He indicated that this was a 'hidden rating' (I like hidden ratings), and players would have to infer from their observations which matchups it applied to. My impression was that this applied to fictional players, not historical, but I could be wrong.
It would be nice if all the little tidbits Markus has said about the game, such as that above, were collected in one place.
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It would be nice if all the little tidbits Markus has said about the game, such as that above, were collected in one place.
I doubt someone from the staff has the time to do it, so it would be up to someone in the community (hint, hint). I would imagine it wouldn't take more than a couple of hours to comb through Markus' posts from the last couple of years and pull out the tidbits you are looking for.
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