Historical league

Exorcst · 04-27-2009, 08:45 PM

Thinking about doing more simming in this next realease and less playing out the games and thus starting from the earliest year in a historical game. IN previous versions do the historical games set up for auto expansion and shifting of the leagues around or does that have to be done manually?

Bluenoser · 04-27-2009, 10:05 PM

There is an option to follow real history, expansion, relocation, name changes.

Curtis · 04-27-2009, 10:17 PM

I'm not certain that it changes the LEAGUES around, though. The last I knew the game was still locked into the 'two sub-leagues' system, so it can't accurately represent the brief three league periods. I'm under the impression that once you have the two subleagues it never shrinks back to one again (1890s), and it mandates an even number of teams in a subleague, so seven and eleven team leagues are rounded to even numbers.

Really, though, Version 9 is a major improvement over the earlier versions when doing 19th century baseball, and everything BruceM said is true.

Malleus Dei · 04-28-2009, 11:27 AM

OOTP handles everything but "shifting of the leagues around." That it cannot do.

fhomess · 04-28-2009, 11:59 AM

There are a number of issues with simming 19th century baseball that prevent OOTP from doing it all automatically (odd numbers of teams in a league), teams folding mid season, etc). If you're trying to replicate baseball to that level of accuracy in the 19th century, you need to do much of it manually - although it can be done. Check out the historical leagues forum for a lot of detail on what people have found. It's also a great place to get questions answered, as it appears that there's a strong subset of folks who've spent a fair amount of time tackling these questions.

Exorcst · 04-29-2009, 12:08 PM

Nah that's good. I'm not super interested in 19th century baseball. Other than a chance to manage the greats from that era. Im more intersted in post 1940. I just want to get to 1969 and boom see the royals as a new team and the game set up their expansion draft.

Malleus Dei · 04-29-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Exorcst

Im more intersted in post 1940. I just want to get to 1969 and boom see the royals as a new team and the game set up their expansion draft.

You're good to go.

ZouDave · 04-29-2009, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exorcst

Nah that's good. I'm not super interested in 19th century baseball. Other than a chance to manage the greats from that era. Im more intersted in post 1940. I just want to get to 1969 and boom see the royals as a new team and the game set up their expansion draft.

That's how I'm killing time with OOTP9 right now. I started in 1969 and took over the Royals with their original roster.

I'm up to 1989 now and the Royals are much better under me than they were in reality :-) When the stadium automatically becomes Kauffman Stadium I may just change it to ZouDave Stadium ;-)

StyxNCa · 04-30-2009, 03:00 PM

Hah! Have fun with that. I know I haven't... not historical leagues.

04-27-2009, 08:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
Exorcst Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 189 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Historical league Thinking about doing more simming in this next realease and less playing out the games and thus starting from the earliest year in a historical game. IN previous versions do the historical games set up for auto expansion and shifting of the leagues around or does that have to be done manually?

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Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 5,598 Thanks: 56 Thanked 442x in 307 posts	There is an option to follow real history, expansion, relocation, name changes. __________________ It takes neither courage nor intelligence to cheer for a team only when that team wins. The true test of a fan's mettle is the same as it is for a player: Were you there when you were needed?

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Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 4,530 Thanks: 1 Thanked 108x in 91 posts	I'm not certain that it changes the LEAGUES around, though. The last I knew the game was still locked into the 'two sub-leagues' system, so it can't accurately represent the brief three league periods. I'm under the impression that once you have the two subleagues it never shrinks back to one again (1890s), and it mandates an even number of teams in a subleague, so seven and eleven team leagues are rounded to even numbers. Really, though, Version 9 is a major improvement over the earlier versions when doing 19th century baseball, and everything BruceM said is true. __________________ 2012 — The year for Inside The Park 2!

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fhomess Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,749 Thanks: 15 Thanked 275x in 125 posts	There are a number of issues with simming 19th century baseball that prevent OOTP from doing it all automatically (odd numbers of teams in a league), teams folding mid season, etc). If you're trying to replicate baseball to that level of accuracy in the 19th century, you need to do much of it manually - although it can be done. Check out the historical leagues forum for a lot of detail on what people have found. It's also a great place to get questions answered, as it appears that there's a strong subset of folks who've spent a fair amount of time tackling these questions. __________________ StatsLab11 - PHP/MySQL based utilities for Online Leagues Other Mods: 19th Century: Schedules, FaceGen BBCards: 1887 Allen & Ginter, 1934 Goudey, 1988 Score, 1996 fhomess, 2005 fhomess FaceGen: 1960-Pres MLB, 32 Colleges, Backgrounds PEBA - Connecticut Nutmeggers

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04-29-2009, 12:08 PM	#6 (permalink)
Exorcst Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 189 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Nah that's good. I'm not super interested in 19th century baseball. Other than a chance to manage the greats from that era. Im more intersted in post 1940. I just want to get to 1969 and boom see the royals as a new team and the game set up their expansion draft.

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StyxNCa Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Victoria, Texas Posts: 3,000 Thanks: 228 Thanked 177x in 105 posts	Hah! Have fun with that. I know I haven't... not historical leagues.