Historical replay accuracy

[knockahoma]

The wind blew the haunting tune of coming demise. A one-shot deal where accuracy was life, or death.

Knockahoma wondered if he had time to hit the store for Uncle Butter's Extreme Popcorn...

[PhillieFever]

Originally Posted by Jah

Cool...one sim only. By the way, perhaps your settings with SteveP's system should be incorporated into the manual for this and future versions as recommended settings for optimal historical results. By having to come up with precise settings kind of proves my point...when you're just trying to play one season, or even string a few in a row, you end up spending more time tweaking and testing than actually playing. With the other game, you get good results pretty much out of the box. Heck, I don't even have to set 2, 3, or 4-man rotations - it knows based on the era/season...the pitchers of the 1870's and 1880's can start every game without getting exhausted (like they really did) because you have the actual schedules...plus you can have an odd number of teams for that era (like real life)...guys who had 40 starts and 10 relief appearances (early 1900's) will approximate their real-life usage...Cy Young will get his starts and actually have a chance to reach 500 wins...and it's all automated, no need to tweak or test or set anything.

So, if there are good recommended settings for OOTP historical play - let's officially include them in the game manual...it would save a lot of time and frustration testing and tweaking from season to season, version to version. I mean, when a real-life last place team finishes 40 games better in the standings...where in the heck should I begin to "tweak" that?? It would have been nice to know at the time.

Personally,I think that SteveP's settings should be the setup for each inaugural season,no doubt about it.As for the other settings,I personally feel they should be the default settings,but vanilla and chocolate ya know! So to each his own.I'll make a new thread now with the exact settings I've used along with the results as soon as I run the game.Should be fun! And one other thing,this isn't about me trying to uphold the integrity of OOTp's historicals or anything like that.I'm just genuinely curious to how OOTP actually compares to games like DMB and Strat.I know all about Mogul,so I'm not going there HAHA.

[Jah]

Originally Posted by PhillieFever

Personally,I think that SteveP's settings should be the setup for each inaugural season,no doubt about it.As for the other settings,I personally feel they should be the default settings,but vanilla and chocolate ya know! So to each his own.I'll make a new thread now with the exact settings I've used along with the results as soon as I run the game.Should be fun! And one other thing,this isn't about me trying to uphold the integrity of OOTp's historicals or anything like that.I'm just genuinely curious to how OOTP actually compares to games like DMB and Strat.I know all about Mogul,so I'm not going there HAHA.

I hear ya, PhillieFever...and it's not about me trying to slam OOTP's historicals, either. I've been using OOTP for 7 years now (over 4 different versions) and just became increasingly frustrated with the historical play as it functioned compared to how I wanted to run season/career replays. Often the response here was to go look elsewhere for another game better suited for my historical needs, which I finally did (reluctantly!)

I've been pleasantly surprised with the other game (it's Action, by the way) and wish OOTP had some of its features which make the whole historical gaming experience so much easier and more fun. I don't miss having to tweak and test settings or hope I guessed right...only to find out something is way off at the end of a long season. Because I like to incorporate actual transactions, starting over became a drag after a while. I did get through about 8 years (1901 thru 1907) with my history of baseball replay (using versions 2007 and OOTP9), but I became frustrated with the results year to year and finally threw in the towel.

I'll try to get to the '74 replay tonight after work and we'll see what happens...it'll be fun to compare!

[PhillieFever]

Originally Posted by Jah

I hear ya, PhillieFever...and it's not about me trying to slam OOTP's historicals, either. I've been using OOTP for 7 years now (over 4 different versions) and just became increasingly frustrated with the historical play as it functioned compared to how I wanted to run season/career replays. Often the response here was to go look elsewhere for another game better suited for my historical needs, which I finally did (reluctantly!)

I've been pleasantly surprised with the other game (it's Action, by the way) and wish OOTP had some of its features which make the whole historical gaming experience so much easier and more fun. I don't miss having to tweak and test settings or hope I guessed right...only to find out something is way off at the end of a long season. Because I like to incorporate actual transactions, starting over became a drag after a while. I did get through about 8 years (1901 thru 1907) with my history of baseball replay (using versions 2007 and OOTP9), but I became frustrated with the results year to year and finally threw in the towel.

I'll try to get to the '74 replay tonight after work and we'll see what happens...it'll be fun to compare!

Personally,I've gotten away from historical's myself as well,but not because I thought OOTP did a bad job,but because I feel its just ore fun using the current MLB'ers.The difference in games like Action,DMB,Strat and a game like OOTP to me comes down to philosophy.With games like Action,the main goal of the game is statistical seasonal replay,these companies sell season disks for specific seasons,giving them the ability to add in the extra options like R/L transactions,injuries and the like.With OOTP,the emphasis in their historical portion of the game is based on career play which instantly pushes OOTP in a different direction.In the end it comes down to this one simple choice.Do you want to play through a single season very accurately,or would you like to play through entire careers,albeit a bit less accurately.Thats what lead me to this challenge of sorts,I wanted to see how much accuracy is actually lost.

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by Garlon

OOTP gets it correct, period. Ty Cobb real life career .366, and in my sim career .363. I posted tons of comparisons of real player career vs sim results.

And by the way, if DMB or Mogul or any of those other gams are getting it "right" as you say for players but no for league totals, then that provs my point exactly..becaue the player results are therefore meaningless.

There's a big difference between having Ty Cobb bat .400 in a league that bats .245 than a league that bats .285 as a whole. .400 is not .400, it's all about context.

How about the pitchers with their ratings stripped down to just K/BB/HR?

The main problem has been pitchers and how the game, at least from what I have seen, helps the teams with poor pitching and hurts the ones with great pitching. I have simmed 1969 over and over and over and I have yet to see the Orioles with less than a 3.90 ERA and most are up around 4.30. This was the best pitching team in the majors that year. Conversely, the Expos won a world series with pitching stats that were better than the Orioles. Even the Reds and Padres normally put up better pitching numbers than the Orioles, who consistantly are between #20-22 in the majors in ERA.

How does Mel Stottlemyre, as one example, always have ERA's around 5.00 for 1969. He is useless.

Ah, this is what you call getting it correct. I hope you do your real life job using someone else's idea of what is correct.

[rwd59]

Originally Posted by RonCo

Knockahoma should be a beta tester next version.

Agreed!!!!!!!!!!

[Jeff1787]

I am replaying the entire MLB seasons starting in 1901. I just finished 1915. I am pretty happy with the results. I handle all of the transactions, which is a bit tedious. I used to handle depth charts, but now I let the AI do it. I just make sure the right players are on the right teams...although I have made some errors. The Federal League in 1915 screwed me up a bit.

Check out my thread below, I have a lot of comparisons.

But no matter what, the Red Sox AI manager won't put Babe Ruth in the starting rotation....