Is the ai improved or still stupid?

ravinhood · 06-02-2009, 07:50 PM

I know I've already bought this thing to save $10 but now I'm having 2nd thoughts that the AI is going to be brain dead when it comes to trading again. Is it still going to trade away 10 AAA players for one Major league player of medium quality like in 07? I remember that so well I had to make a house rule of only 5 players max as the AI would just give me anything and everything from its triple A team for some rediculously mediocre player or prospect and I was playing on HARD trading difficulty and had it highly favor prospects instead of old dead beat soon to retire veterans.

PLEASE TELL ME YOU"VE FIXED THIS ISSUE ?

thamolas · 06-02-2009, 07:59 PM

And I've had the computer say 'no' to trades that were very generous (just because I wanted to make a few minor cosmetic shifts through trading).

Who Killed Kenny? · 06-02-2009, 08:21 PM

Computers aren't smarter than humans yet. So I would say you will still be able "cheat" the AI. Besides we wouldn't want smart AI. Seen Terminator or The Matrix or AI???

struggles_mightily · 06-02-2009, 08:24 PM

Well, "improved player evaluation AI" was listed as a feature for OOTPX and that would obviously feed into trading AI.

"Improved AI" is a slippery fish, though. How improved is "improved"? The changes could be excellent, leaps-and-bounds type things that are difficult to sell. It's a hard thing to quantify / express on a press release. "AI GMs no longer big dummies!" "AI GMs no longer trade you the farm for Ron Karkovice!" Neither of those really sounds right.

Or, it could be that only really minor tweaks have been made & everything is essentially the same. But instead of admitting "we tried buggering about with the AI a bit, but then realised there were major flaws with it and just went down the pub instead", a general phrase has been used.

Wait and see, I guess.

PotatoPeeler · 06-02-2009, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by struggles_mightily

Well, "improved player evaluation AI" was listed as a feature for OOTPX and that would obviously feed into trading AI.

That really doesn't say much considering it's been on the listed features for nearly every release/update I can remember.

struggles_mightily · 06-02-2009, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PotatoPeeler

That really doesn't say much considering it's been on the listed features for nearly every release/update I can remember.

Yeh, as I said, it doesn't really say much. But, as I also said in my post, AI improvements are difficult to pin down & "sell", so it doesn't necessarily mean nothing either.

ike121212 · 06-02-2009, 09:23 PM

I've been pretty happy being able to set trades to difficult and favor prospects. I can handle limiting myself to 2-1 trades. What has always bothered me more is tying my hands with FA's and not picking up high potential prospects. I'm really hoping that the AI manages it's prospects and minor league roster better. We'll find out soon enough.

RonCo · 06-02-2009, 09:25 PM

I think "improved AI" is just a cut-n-paste entry on the feature list.

jar2574 · 06-02-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by struggles_mightily

But instead of admitting "we tried buggering about with the AI a bit, but then realised there were major flaws with it and just went down the pub instead", a general phrase has been used.

LOL. You remind me of my old English roommates.

SteveP · 06-02-2009, 10:31 PM

If you want a computer opponent that is going to be "smart", take up computer chess. No computer simulation is going to have a smart AI opponent -- not for many years. The advantage of a baseball sim is that there are fewer ways in which the AI can screw up. Trading is one. Set it to "hard." Don't take advantage of it's mistakes. Accept that it's just a microcomputer doing the best that it can ...

Scoman · 06-02-2009, 10:56 PM

As an avid historical player I hope to God that the drafting logic has been improved.

Spritze · 06-02-2009, 11:03 PM

There is a new draft logic check box in the amateur draft portion of game setup.

It only works for historical leagues as far as I know.

KGrob · 06-02-2009, 11:08 PM

My perception is that they try to improve some aspect of the AI with every release and even with the majority of patches.

I'm sure it will be better than it was. How much better? Not sure there.

Scoman · 06-02-2009, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Spritze

There is a new draft logic check box in the amateur draft portion of game setup.

It only works for historical leagues as far as I know.

Great ,so what is it designed to do?

Tycobbler · 06-02-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KGrob

My perception is that they try to improve some aspect of the AI with every release and even with the majority of patches.

I'm sure it will be better than it was. How much better? Not sure there.

Hopefully we'll get to find out at 1201 EST... back to refreshing my inbox every 30 seconds

Scoman · 06-02-2009, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tycobbler

Hopefully we'll get to find out at 1201 EST... back to refreshing my inbox every 30 seconds

I wonder if it was released at 1201 est in previous versions,I cant remember.

NCBeachBum · 06-03-2009, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Scoman

I wonder if it was released at 1201 est in previous versions,I cant remember.

No, it wasn't.

KGrob · 06-03-2009, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Tycobbler

Hopefully we'll get to find out at 1201 EST... back to refreshing my inbox every 30 seconds

I've been checking from time to time. Nothing yet. I'm in California. So, technically, it's not Wednesday just yet. Of course, we're talking as if it were certain the game will be released on Wednesday.

I was hoping to get the game downloaded tonight before all the easterners awaken tomorrow. That will give me a chance to get my new league created so I can get on and really check things out tomorrow.

NCBeachBum · 06-03-2009, 04:03 AM

My (possibly faulty) memory says that past releases have mostly come about in the afternoons ET.

treedom · 06-03-2009, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by NCBeachBum

My (possibly faulty) memory says that past releases have mostly come about in the afternoons ET.

Yeah, that sounds about right.

I'l be at work watching all of you fall over eachother trying to download the thing:

"Mine's at 11% and hasn't moved in five minutes!"

"Mine's at 1%

"

"mines done!!!"

"u suck"

"i was just joking lol brb"

"u still suck"

"12%!!! woo hoo!"

06-02-2009, 07:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
ravinhood Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 291 Thanks: 10 Thanked 2x in 2 posts	Is the ai improved or still stupid? I know I've already bought this thing to save $10 but now I'm having 2nd thoughts that the AI is going to be brain dead when it comes to trading again. Is it still going to trade away 10 AAA players for one Major league player of medium quality like in 07? I remember that so well I had to make a house rule of only 5 players max as the AI would just give me anything and everything from its triple A team for some rediculously mediocre player or prospect and I was playing on HARD trading difficulty and had it highly favor prospects instead of old dead beat soon to retire veterans. PLEASE TELL ME YOU"VE FIXED THIS ISSUE ?

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NCBeachBum All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Topsail Island, NC, USA Posts: 778 Thanks: 9 Thanked 13x in 10 posts	My (possibly faulty) memory says that past releases have mostly come about in the afternoons ET. __________________ And ain't that a shame, shame, shame Shame, shame, the way you do Oh, it's a shame, shame, shame Shame, shame on you

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06-02-2009, 07:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
thamolas Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 90 Thanks: 4 Thanked 2x in 2 posts	And I've had the computer say 'no' to trades that were very generous (just because I wanted to make a few minor cosmetic shifts through trading).

06-02-2009, 08:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
Who Killed Kenny? Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 391 Thanks: 29 Thanked 40x in 29 posts	Computers aren't smarter than humans yet. So I would say you will still be able "cheat" the AI. Besides we wouldn't want smart AI. Seen Terminator or The Matrix or AI???

06-02-2009, 08:24 PM	#4 (permalink)
struggles_mightily Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 195 Thanks: 6 Thanked 10x in 6 posts	Well, "improved player evaluation AI" was listed as a feature for OOTPX and that would obviously feed into trading AI. "Improved AI" is a slippery fish, though. How improved is "improved"? The changes could be excellent, leaps-and-bounds type things that are difficult to sell. It's a hard thing to quantify / express on a press release. "AI GMs no longer big dummies!" "AI GMs no longer trade you the farm for Ron Karkovice!" Neither of those really sounds right. Or, it could be that only really minor tweaks have been made & everything is essentially the same. But instead of admitting "we tried buggering about with the AI a bit, but then realised there were major flaws with it and just went down the pub instead", a general phrase has been used. Wait and see, I guess.

06-02-2009, 09:23 PM	#7 (permalink)
ike121212 All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 788 Thanks: 35 Thanked 109x in 79 posts	I've been pretty happy being able to set trades to difficult and favor prospects. I can handle limiting myself to 2-1 trades. What has always bothered me more is tying my hands with FA's and not picking up high potential prospects. I'm really hoping that the AI manages it's prospects and minor league roster better. We'll find out soon enough.

06-02-2009, 09:25 PM	#8 (permalink)
RonCo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 6,566 Thanks: 21 Thanked 149x in 67 posts	I think "improved AI" is just a cut-n-paste entry on the feature list.

06-02-2009, 10:31 PM	#10 (permalink)
SteveP Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,776 Thanks: 6 Thanked 261x in 198 posts	If you want a computer opponent that is going to be "smart", take up computer chess. No computer simulation is going to have a smart AI opponent -- not for many years. The advantage of a baseball sim is that there are fewer ways in which the AI can screw up. Trading is one. Set it to "hard." Don't take advantage of it's mistakes. Accept that it's just a microcomputer doing the best that it can ...

06-02-2009, 10:56 PM	#11 (permalink)
Scoman All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: heath ohio Posts: 1,493 Thanks: 40 Thanked 31x in 19 posts	As an avid historical player I hope to God that the drafting logic has been improved.

06-02-2009, 11:03 PM	#12 (permalink)
Spritze Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Redmond Wa and Cape Coast Ghana Posts: 2,946 Thanks: 16 Thanked 344x in 242 posts	There is a new draft logic check box in the amateur draft portion of game setup. It only works for historical leagues as far as I know.

06-02-2009, 11:08 PM	#13 (permalink)
KGrob Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 154 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3x in 3 posts	My perception is that they try to improve some aspect of the AI with every release and even with the majority of patches. I'm sure it will be better than it was. How much better? Not sure there.