[udbacker58]

Originally Posted by POKeefe

I think next time if you were able to give each team to 30 different roster helpers and have someone cross check them, then you could get it done pretty easily (ratings and stats). Just an idea for the next game.

Yeah, but then you have to find 30 reliable people who can commit the time during that specific time frame. A very difficult task, trust me, I was one of the unreliable ones

[injury log]

Originally Posted by POKeefe

I think next time if you were able to give each team to 30 different roster helpers and have someone cross check them, then you could get it done pretty easily (ratings and stats). Just an idea for the next game.

Just so everyone knows what roster designers are up against. Within each player record in OOTP, you have almost 100 fields that require data. With seven levels to an MLB team's system, you have almost 200 players per organization. So to get a complete roster set, you need to enter almost 600,000 different data values. Add in stats lines for each player, and you're looking at well over a million values that need to be entered. Most of this can only be done manually, and much of it needs to be researched first, and since it's all being done by unpaid volunteers, I hope everyone can understand why there will be occasional issues here and there with the important players, and why a few minor leaguers in each system have 'generic' ratings. There is really no way to do any of it 'easily', unfortunately, without compromising on quality.

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And one note on Linebrink - the 'bonus' a reliever gets in OOTP when used in relief isn't factored into the stats line projections in the Editor, so you'd expect him to perform better than his 4.68 forecasted ERA.

[Chaos81]

Couple of issues with the Royals I noticed in a quick look. Hopefully these are what I should be posting here.

Brian Buchanan: He's shown on the active roster. As far as I know he hasn't even been on the 40-man, much less made the majors. I had a quick look at the Royals transactions so far this season and didn't see him mentioned anywhere, and he's not listed on the 40-man on the Royals website. I'm pretty sure he was signed to a minor league contract.

Brian Bannister: He's listed as a MR and "strictly bullpen", but he's been a starter for all but 2 of his MLB appearances, those coming in 2006. He's started 9 games this year, he started 32 games last year, and 27 games in 2007. He hasn't pitched out of the bullpen since 2006. Is this just something that's a result of him not being rated all that great? Which isn't a problem, just wondering if that's why he's showing as a MR and strictly bullpen.

[POKeefe]

Here's the D-Backs MLB Errors I see according to current stats and fangraphs:

Miguel Montero
.275/.366/.491 with 26 HR per 550 in the game editor
All projections have him as about .255/.325/.425 with 10 HR per 300

Chris Snyder
.260/.370/.476 with 26 HR per 550 in the game editor
All projections have him as about .245/.345/.425 with 14 HR per 350

Chad Tracy and Mark Reynolds
AVG and Power ratings are fairly accurate, OBP is too high though. Game has them at .355, most projections have them at roughly .335.

Eric Byrnes
Byrnes had a bleak 2008 season and his ZiPS projection only had him at a .254/.311/.428
In game he's listed at: .273/.338/.467

Chris Young
.273/.354/.516 in game
.255/.320/.469 projections -- HR numbers are accurate though

Justin Upton
.280/.372/.525 in game
.260/.350/.450 projections -- HR numbers are accurate though

Jon Garland
4.16 ERA in game
4.70 projections

Doug Davis
3.90 ERA in game
4.50 projections

Tony Pena
4.14 ERA in game
3.77 projections


Guys like Robertson, Oeltjen, Etherton, never spent a day on the D-Backs MLB roster. Some of these guys have outperformed projections, some have underperformed them. I plan on going team through team and comparing projections to in game stats. Some guys like Upton and Montero, I think the game overprojected them. They have the potential to do a lot, but projections for 2009 were a bit too rosy.

EDIT: Also like to note that I think the roster makers did a great job with the MILB guys for the D-Backs. Right projections for all.

[Rockeo]

Mets Relief Pitcher Ken Takahashi Is RHP in the Game but in real life is LHP

[udbacker58]

Good stuff guys, keep'em coming. Don't forget to check your favorite team's contracts as well.

[injury log]

Yes, this is great stuff - the detail is very helpful, and we'll be sure to get an updated set in with the first patch. Since the pitching model was being constantly tweaked during beta, this meant that a pitcher's role could be thrown off because of an adjustment to the game engine, even if his ratings hadn't changed, and because there are so many guys to check, a few borderline guys seem to have slipped through. Bannister, for example, should certainly be a starter. We can fix those quite easily if we know where to look. Thanks for all the input so far!

[SteveP]

Something else that should be fixed in the 2009 MLB quickstart is the settings for AI Player Evaluation Options. They should be the same default settings that gamers get when they start a new league. I assume that Markus believes these default settings to be the best, and it will only confuse gamers who see that they are different, and will start to imagine all kinds of reasons for the difference. I assume the settings in the quickstart are CF's preferred settings, which is fine for people who want to make that change, but I think it's a mistake to add confusion in the minds of typical gamers.

And, no, I don't want to get into a debate with people who are true believers in the power of these settings to work wonders on AI behavior. I've tested it, and I'm satisfied with the results of my tests.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by POKeefe

Another thing that would be good to see now although it wasn't known at the time is to see David Ortiz's fall accurately depicted. I'm not knocking the roster makers though, because these were done way before Ortiz just started sucking as bad as he has. Wouldn't surprise me to see the Red Sox give him a fake DL stint to get him a rehab assignment, or see them outright DFA him.

I dont think drastic changes should be made. Poppi started out slow last year as well. He (more so than most) depends on his timing and at this point his timing is way off, one small correction and this could be fixed and he will be hitting like he has. It happens to the best of them. Derek Jeter one the most consistent hitters of all time was hitting under 200 well into May one year before he went crazy the rest of the year and ended up around his normal .300.

[KySteveH]

I have noticed many players have a "0" for various ratings on the 1-200 scale That seems wrong, because 0 is less than 1, and 1 is the bottom of the scale.

Also, a disproportionate number of players have a 1 for a rating, especially for "stuff" and "movement". I totally understand that "1" is valid, because it is part of the scale from 1-200. However, I would think that true "1" ratings should be fairly infrequent.

Some pitchers have no pitches. I don't know what to make of this. I mean, there are some bad pitchers out there, but not THAT bad!

In all cases, the players I have seen play in the Reds farm system. I have not check the other 29 teams.

So my question is, Were those just typos, that perhaps will be fixed later? I've already heard the deal about rosters being done by volunteers, and I can't fathom why anyone would work for free on a product being sold (not given away) to consumers. That being said, should we expect issues like the three I have raised here to be fixed, or will they shrugged off, due to the time-consuming nature of the work?

[Sheets]

Joe Borchard is a RF on the Braves 25 man roster.

he's on the Giants AAA team in real life.

[Johnny93g]

Two things

Casey Janssen on the Blue Jays is listed as a reliever without much stamina. He is starting right now.

Roy Halladay is arguably, the best pitcher in baseball. I don't have the game in front of me right now, so, this would qualify as one of the bad posts mentioned by the original poster, but his ratings don't do the guy justice. If anyone with the game open can back this up, or dispute it, that's great, but when i have time tommorow, i'll try to back up my statement with his ratings from the game.

[PhillieFever]

Originally Posted by injury log

Just so everyone knows what roster designers are up against. Within each player record in OOTP, you have almost 100 fields that require data. With seven levels to an MLB team's system, you have almost 200 players per organization. So to get a complete roster set, you need to enter almost 600,000 different data values. Add in stats lines for each player, and you're looking at well over a million values that need to be entered. Most of this can only be done manually, and much of it needs to be researched first, and since it's all being done by unpaid volunteers, I hope everyone can understand why there will be occasional issues here and there with the important players, and why a few minor leaguers in each system have 'generic' ratings. There is really no way to do any of it 'easily', unfortunately, without compromising on quality.

____________

And one note on Linebrink - the 'bonus' a reliever gets in OOTP when used in relief isn't factored into the stats line projections in the Editor, so you'd expect him to perform better than his 4.68 forecasted ERA.

The amount of work that you guys have done is absolutely staggering,and I for one am truely grateful.Personally,I think the set is great as is,there has to come a point in time where you have to say this is it,its done.Otherwise you're going to drive yourself crazy because players' skills are constantly evolving,and from my experience,I've found that predicting the future is a bad business best left to the gypsies.I've run numerous tests with the set and things really look great,on the Major League level,are there surprises? Sure,but did you have the Rays penciled in for the World Series last year?Thats what I thought.The problems with the set,lie in the Minors,where the league totals are a mess.Right now,I'm in the middle of collecting the R/L 2008 league totals for every minor league and from there plan on implementing them,checking the LT box,and seeing how they work.If things go well,I'll post a BZ asking that they be implemented into the set.With that we should really have a solid MLB set that OOTPD can be proud of,one that crushes the nearest competition(Mogul) completely.You've done a fantastic job guys,relaxand have fun with the set.

[risp2out]

[I posted this originally under the MLB Roster thread, but I now take it that that's just for the 2009 Roster set, so I'll repost here. Apologies if this has already been logged.]

1871 Draft - C Bill Barrett, SS Francis Abercrombie, CF Joe McDermott, RF Bill Kelly, C Charlie Mills all listed as being 0 years old. All are listed as having DOB 5-5-1870.

Talk about drafting an early prospect.

BTW, what kind of player development arc would we see for an infant?

[fredandres]

First and Foremost
Best OOTP launch experience in the history of the franchise. Anyone whining should take a visit to the OOTP 5 and 6 message boards still archived on this website from earlier in the decade. THAT was real pain. This game is so great, I've purchased two copies (mostly because I have two platforms). Generally speaking, the issues I've noticed are minor and could be left out in the next roster revision.

Personnel Salaries
I realize this is an under utilized feature in past OOTP online leagues, but manager salaries seem heavily undervalued and erroneous in length. Correct manager salaries can be found here.

Player Issues
I'm not entirely sure why Carl Pavano is on the waiver wire to begin the season. It should also be noted that Pavano makes $1,500,000 in '09 and not $400,000.

I'm a San Francisco Giants fan, so I'll do my best to indicate issues regarding their roster specifically.

Barry Zito should have an $18,000,000 club option in 2014 with a $7,000,000 buyout.

Edgar Renteria should have a $10,500,000 club option in 2011 with a $500,000 buyout.

Pablo Sandoval has experience as a catcher, though OOTP shows only positional ratings at 1B and 3B. This may be more AI management related, but I thought I'd throw it out.

Noah Lowry should have a $6,250,000 club option for 2010 (no buyout). You may also want to change Lowry's morale to angry, as he was recently diagnosed with thoracic outlet syndrome after a year on the disabled list with a possible forearm injury. His agent has issued a statement to media accusing the Giants of a misdiagnosis. It appears he won't be ready to return from the disabled list for at least 10 months. I realize this all happened after 04/04, so I understand why it wouldn't be in the final roster set.

Matt Cain should have a $6,250,000 team option for 2010.

Kelvin Pichardo is currently serving a 50 game suspension for testing positive (this occurred prior to 04/04).

[POKeefe]

Not sure if you guys prefer if I list all the ratings errors compared to projections and past performance here, make a roster set, or both. I plan on making a roster set either way.

[tysok]

Originally Posted by fredandres

First and Foremost
Best OOTP launch experience in the history of the franchise. Anyone whining should take a visit to the OOTP 5 and 6 message boards still archived on this website from earlier in the decade. THAT was real pain. This game is so great, I've purchased two copies (mostly because I have two platforms).

I wasn't there for 5 or 6, but those couldn't have been worse releases than when I began here with OOTP2006. I think the guys still have their nightmares about the days and weeks that followed that release.

[thomamon]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but the Yankees are not listed in bold in league history the years they won the WS.

[Rebington]

Re Oakland A's contracts -

Justin Duchscherer, currently makes $3.9m a year. This roster set has him earning $12m+ x 3 years after 2009. Unfortunately the A's would never pay anyone that kind of money!

Bobby Crosby is listed as making $5.5m in 2009, we released him earlier in the year then resigned him to minimum salary.

Other than that the A's roster looks pretty accurate, although IRL Travis Buck isn't actually very good!

[Nutlaw]

Re: Utility players having experience removed at some positions

As I have mentioned elsewhere, a preferable option to removing a player's experience at a position that he obviously plays at times in MLB would be to lower his position rating below 25 on the 1-200 scale by reducing his experience somewhat, but not all of the way. That way, he won't start. You could still have your depth charts work out right and players would still know the right positions.