Pitcher Stamina

[MimesisBTG]

I have a question about stamina in the new pitching system, which I am still trying to wrap my head around. I have a guy whose suggested role at AA is starter. I assume that this is because he has four average to below average pitches. His stamina, however, is only a 2 on a scale of 10. My question is how many pitches do you think I will get out of this guy before he tires if I do decide to start him? To follow up on that, should the computer be suggesting this guy as a starter at all if his stamina rating is that low?

[MimesisBTG]

I have been running into this more frequently now. It seems to me like the "suggested role" for any given pitcher is overly determined by that pitcher's ability or inability to throw three quality pitches. On the other hand, this "suggested role" does not seem to be affected at all by a pitcher's stamina.

Shouldn't stamina also play a factor in what role the AI suggests for a pitcher? I don't think that a pitcher with low stamina (2 or 3 on a scale of 10) should be suggested as a starter, especially at the top levels of play. Thoughts?

[Tom the Fish]

Yeah, I feel the same way. It's hard to go against my nature and go with such low stamina guys as starters.

It's also annoying in the minors when i have a guy with 6-7 stamina (out of 10) with 2 pitches and I am trying to get him to learn a 3rd, but the minor league manager keeps sticking him in relief.

Tom

[mikezone13]

How do you get your pitchers to learn more pitches?

Agree the stamina is crazy...

Also I've got one guy with 2 pitches above 80 (0-100 scale) and a high stamina that would be an awesome starter even with just his two dominant pitches, but the AI says he needs at least a third pitch to be an effectvie starter.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by MimesisBTG

I have a question about stamina in the new pitching system, which I am still trying to wrap my head around. I have a guy whose suggested role at AA is starter. I assume that this is because he has four average to below average pitches. His stamina, however, is only a 2 on a scale of 10. My question is how many pitches do you think I will get out of this guy before he tires if I do decide to start him? To follow up on that, should the computer be suggesting this guy as a starter at all if his stamina rating is that low?

AI has been doing that in my career with Joakim Soria in 2010, and mostly getting 4.1-5.1 innings per start out of him.

He's had three or four insanely efficient starts, but otherwise he's been like a late-career Maddux in terms of pitching deep into games.

[StyxNCa]

The entire thing is confusing. Does the stamina mean something different for a starter than it does for a closer? If not, why would a suggested starter have such low stamina?

The other thing is I have seen one pitcher with 5 pitches and high ratings on all of them but the computer says his suggested role is bullpen. He had low stamina. Then I see a lot of pitchers with 3 pitches, not very good ratings on any of them, and the computer suggests them as a starter.

The 5 pitch guy really confuses me. If the only reason it is suggested he be a reliever is because of the low stamina, then why on earth would any other low stamina ones be suggested as starters?

[Killing Time]

Originally Posted by MimesisBTG

Shouldn't stamina also play a factor in what role the AI suggests for a pitcher? I don't think that a pitcher with low stamina (2 or 3 on a scale of 10) should be suggested as a starter, especially at the top levels of play. Thoughts?

Yes and yes. I do not care for the way the new pitcher model ignores stamina at all and I do not want starters who can only pitch four innings effectively.

[MimesisBTG]

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

The entire thing is confusing. Does the stamina mean something different for a starter than it does for a closer? If not, why would a suggested starter have such low stamina?

IMO, this is the million dollar question. Well stated.

[HH20xx convert]

This is a logged issue for a patch fix--see technical support forum for a detailed discussion.

[MimesisBTG]

Originally Posted by HH20xx convert

This is a logged issue for a patch fix--see technical support forum for a detailed discussion.

Thanks for the info. I'm glad to hear that it is being addressed.

[Nutlaw]

Guys, any pitcher with a stamina of 25 or greater out of 100 can start, just like in OOTP 9. (Though in OOTP9, they'd be at reduced effectiveness under 50.)

[Tom the Fish]

"Does the stamina mean something different for a starter than it does for a closer?"

When I switch a pitcher from MR to SP or back, the stamina stays the same, so I would guess not.

Tom

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by Tom the Fish

"Does the stamina mean something different for a starter than it does for a closer?"

When I switch a pitcher from MR to SP or back, the stamina stays the same, so I would guess not.

Tom

No what I meant was, example....

does a 5 stamina (out of 20) for a starter mean something different than a 5 for a closer as far as the number of batters they can face.

[Nutlaw]

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

No what I meant was, example....

does a 5 stamina (out of 20) for a starter mean something different than a 5 for a closer as far as the number of batters they can face.

Yes. Pitchers who start games will throw more innings in fewer games. Pitchers who relieve will throw fewer innings more often.

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by Nutlaw

Yes. Pitchers who start games will throw more innings in fewer games. Pitchers who relieve will throw fewer innings more often.

Gee. I didn't expect a definitive answer. They are few and far between on here. Thanks for making that clear.

[MimesisBTG]

Originally Posted by Nutlaw

Yes. Pitchers who start games will throw more innings in fewer games. Pitchers who relieve will throw fewer innings more often.

Thanks for your reply, but I'm not sure that I follow. Could you provide an example?

[Nutlaw]

Starting pitchers pitch longer into games than relievers. Relievers pitch more often than starters.

A player with a five stamina out of 20 might be able to throw five innings every five days while starting. Instead, he might be able to throw an inning every other day while relieving.

Starters always get put on a five day schedule, so they don't recover quickly between appearances. In exchange, they can go much deeper into games.

[MimesisBTG]

Originally Posted by Nutlaw

Starting pitchers pitch longer into games than relievers. Relievers pitch more often than starters.

A player with a five stamina out of 20 might be able to throw five innings every five days while starting. Instead, he might be able to throw an inning every other day while relieving.

Starters always get put on a five day schedule, so they don't recover quickly between appearances. In exchange, they can go much deeper into games.

Thanks. That makes more sense now.

If I understand you correctly then, even a pitcher who is a 5 out of 20 in stamina should be able to throw at least five innings as a starter.

My primary concern was that pitchers with low stamina who were being suggested as starters would not be able to go the minimum five innings required of any starting pitcher.

[Curtis]

Originally Posted by MimesisBTG

If I understand you correctly then, even a pitcher who is a 5 out of 20 in stamina should be able to throw at least five innings as a starter.

My primary concern was that pitchers with low stamina who were being suggested as starters would not be able to go the minimum five innings required of any starting pitcher.

A couple of other posters have mentioned starters with endurance in that range, and they claim typical outings of 4 1/3 to 5 1/3 innings. One mentioned that on days when his starter cruised with few pitches, he got to 7+.

[Afino]

I have a 3/10 Stamina starter in my rotation.

I typically get between 95-100 pitches on "High" before he hits "Tired".