Why is this P 21/73 when real and pot ratings the same?

bababui · 06-05-2009, 08:07 PM

I am confused. This young pitchers current and potential ratings are identical in all categories. Yet he is 21/73. What will change in his ratings that will make him a 73/80? Am I missing something?

kq76 · 06-05-2009, 08:12 PM

More playing time, playing time in the majors? I don't know. I love the concept of overall ratings, but I haven't been happy with how they've been implemented for awhile now.

bababui · 06-05-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kq76

More playing time, playing time in the majors? I don't know. I love the concept of overall ratings, but I haven't been happy with how they've been implemented for awhile now.

Could it be that his stamina will improve as he matures and that will boost his ratings?

JWay · 06-05-2009, 08:23 PM

Relation to current and potentials to the rest of your league? Scout being bad at rating potential or currents? Hmmmm

bababui · 06-05-2009, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JWay

Relation to current and potentials to the rest of your league? Scout being bad at rating potential or currents? Hmmmm

Scouting is off BTW.

kq76 · 06-05-2009, 08:39 PM

Out of curiousity, what are your "AI player evaluation" settings? You know, those % weightings of ratings vs stats if different years.

bababui · 06-05-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kq76

Out of curiousity, what are your "AI player evaluation" settings? You know, those % weightings of ratings vs stats if different years.

Default

30/50/15/5

RchW · 06-05-2009, 09:37 PM

He has no major league stats. Your AI eval is bang on IMO.

bababui · 06-05-2009, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

He has no major league stats. Your AI eval is bang on IMO.

My feeling is that he doesnt have the stuff or movement to be a 71/80 MLB pitcher and while he has 4 pitches they are all mediocre if the pitching ratings are to be believed.

But I hope your evaluation is accurate.

tysok · 06-05-2009, 09:45 PM

I don't get it. His potential says 73... you just typing 71 mistakenly?

Also, not sure I get why whether him throwing a pitch in the majors or not matters here...... the scout is saying he has already reached his full potential, but overall he has some HUGE room to progress. What other AI eval is there that could be right, when this is the only thing I see of AI eval and it's so strangely wrong?

bababui · 06-05-2009, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tysok

I don't get it. His potential says 73... you just typing 71 mistakenly?

Sorry..it was a typo. I traded for him and promoted him to the majors because I had an injury. Now he is 73/80 in both actual and potential ratings. Im looking forward to see how he performs.

POKeefe · 06-05-2009, 10:15 PM

I've noticed that evaluation of pitching has some issues in this game. Some relievers with very high current/pot ratings even though they are very poor pitchers. While I've had some 1-2 star relievers with very good stuff/movement and semi-poor control ratings. Still, many of these guys have been 2-3 ERA relievers for me pitching MR innings.

bababui · 06-06-2009, 12:56 AM

I had an injury and called this guy up about a week later. Even though his ratings got a slight bump up because I changed his role to MR his pot/over fell to 20/20. I am confused.

tysok · 06-06-2009, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by bababui

I had an injury and called this guy up about a week later. Even though his ratings got a slight bump up because I changed his role to MR his pot/over fell to 20/20. I am confused.

Since he's then measured against other MR maybe he's just a replacement level reliever ratings wise now, whereas he was better comparable as a starter.

Neags23 · 06-06-2009, 01:03 AM

I just posted a similar issue in tech support.

Had a guy with pretty low ratings that were the same for current and potential, but his OVR was 20 and his POT was 80. That was with scouts on. But, even with scouts on, that doesn't make any sense. If current and potential are exactly the same, there shouldn't be that much of an OVR/POT discrepancy.

I've seen it with a couple other pitchers, as well.

bababui · 06-06-2009, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by tysok

Since he's then measured against other MR maybe he's just a replacement level reliever ratings wise now, whereas he was better comparable as a starter.

I tried to change his role back to a starter and he is still 20/20. I would let the issue go but I dont really understand how the ratings affect how the AI manages the other teams in my universe. And I dont want to exploit any obvious AI weaknesses myself..or let the AI take advantage of me.

Giants44 · 06-06-2009, 01:47 AM

I have few complaints about v10 - but I have seen some very odd overall ratings. I love the scouting system implemented in v9 (much easier than in the past) and I absolutely love the idea of scouting because I think teams really do value players differently, But I would like to see overall scores that made a little more sense. far too many 20-25 players and 70-80 players and not nearly enough in the middle. At this point I tend to take all overall ratings with a grain of salt.

bababui · 06-06-2009, 01:12 PM

In the course of a month, the 19 year old Mr Hahn has gone from a 21/73 to a 20/20 to now a 46/46. Except for a rocky first outing, he has been pretty good eating up garbage time innings.

bababui · 06-06-2009, 01:13 PM

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Nutlaw · 06-06-2009, 06:30 PM

Yeah, something is clearly wrong with POT ratings here.

06-05-2009, 08:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
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06-05-2009, 08:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
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06-05-2009, 09:45 PM	#10 (permalink)
tysok Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,924 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9x in 5 posts	I don't get it. His potential says 73... you just typing 71 mistakenly? Also, not sure I get why whether him throwing a pitch in the majors or not matters here...... the scout is saying he has already reached his full potential, but overall he has some HUGE room to progress. What other AI eval is there that could be right, when this is the only thing I see of AI eval and it's so strangely wrong? __________________ I don't know about you, but as for me, the question has already been answered: Should we be here? Yes! Jack Buck, September 17, 2001 It's what you learn after you know it all that counts. I firmly believe that any man's finest hour... is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi) I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. (George S. Patton)

06-06-2009, 01:03 AM	#15 (permalink)
Neags23 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,498 Thanks: 18 Thanked 29x in 18 posts	I just posted a similar issue in tech support. Had a guy with pretty low ratings that were the same for current and potential, but his OVR was 20 and his POT was 80. That was with scouts on. But, even with scouts on, that doesn't make any sense. If current and potential are exactly the same, there shouldn't be that much of an OVR/POT discrepancy. I've seen it with a couple other pitchers, as well. __________________ Former GM Washburn Sea Wolves Dog Days Baseball 1981 & 1986 Kennel Cup Champions!

06-05-2009, 10:15 PM	#12 (permalink)
POKeefe Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 107 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2x in 2 posts	I've noticed that evaluation of pitching has some issues in this game. Some relievers with very high current/pot ratings even though they are very poor pitchers. While I've had some 1-2 star relievers with very good stuff/movement and semi-poor control ratings. Still, many of these guys have been 2-3 ERA relievers for me pitching MR innings.

06-06-2009, 01:47 AM	#17 (permalink)
Giants44 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,039 Thanks: 25 Thanked 63x in 27 posts	I have few complaints about v10 - but I have seen some very odd overall ratings. I love the scouting system implemented in v9 (much easier than in the past) and I absolutely love the idea of scouting because I think teams really do value players differently, But I would like to see overall scores that made a little more sense. far too many 20-25 players and 70-80 players and not nearly enough in the middle. At this point I tend to take all overall ratings with a grain of salt. __________________ "In a text sim - Immersion is everything" -Me "Judge a man not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character" -Martin Luther King "Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Einstein "The man who views the world at 50 the same as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." -Muhammad Ali "Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything." -Toby Harrah

06-06-2009, 06:30 PM	#20 (permalink)
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,529 Thanks: 79 Thanked 102x in 62 posts	Yeah, something is clearly wrong with POT ratings here. __________________ BJHL: GM of the Manhattan Crime Occasional Contributor to The Cardinal Nation

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