the fielding model

pstrickert · 06-06-2009, 11:34 PM

I started a thread on the beta board about my frustrations with the OOTP fielding model. I thought I'd get some feedback here by posting an example of the things that mystify me.

1974 Import - 1-year recalc

Dave Chalk (CAL) ------- Mark Belanger (BAL)

RF/9: 4.88 (below avg) ------ 5.20 (best)
Rtz: -10.5 (very poor) --------17.5 (best)
FldPct: .938 (poor) ------ .984 (best)

Infield Range in OOTP: 15 ------- 16
Infield Error in OOTP: 17 ------ 18
Overall Rating at SS: 15 ------ 17

Kelric · 06-07-2009, 12:00 AM

Ha. Who knows. I've always felt that OOTP imports fielding ratings rather oddly.

Afino · 06-07-2009, 12:03 AM

Or how the AI STILL ignores defensive implications when placing players in the lineup.

No team should ever field a 2/10 at SS or 3B. Ever.

pstrickert · 06-07-2009, 12:55 PM

Highest-rated SS in 1974

FldPct (real) ----- Infield Error Rating (OOTP)

White: .967 ----- 20
Harrelson: .968 ------ 20
Foli: .971 ------ 20
Tyson: .955 ------ 19
Terrell: .960 ----- 19
Frias: .962 ----- 19
Patek: .967 ----- 18
Belanger: .984 ----- 18
Dent: .972 ---- 18
Michael: .970 ---- 18

StyxNCa · 06-07-2009, 01:12 PM

I have had problems with the fielding ever since OOTP2007, especially the error ratings. I have imported the fielding based on 1 year and based on career and the error number appears to be the same. People with low fldg % (Jay Alou in 1969 for example) receive error ratings that aren't worse than average.

Range factors...another thing I don't understand. Even when editing the database to show the actual number of innings a player played at a position, the game seems to default to atts/game rather than atts/9 innings to create a range rating, so players who had great range (ie, CF, 3.00 atts/9 innings) but played 1/2 of the possible innings get screwed since the game sees them as 1.5 atts/game. So this results in players who were primarily defensive replacements being rendered useless in the game.

I would like to manually adjust the ratings but I have no idea what to adjust them to and there is nothing I can reference to help me figure it out.

pstrickert · 06-07-2009, 01:23 PM

Top 3B in 1974 (as per Inf Rng Rating)

Inf Rng Rating ------ RF/9 -------- Rtz

White: 20 ------ 3.62 ----- (-1.9)
Terrell: 17 ------ 3.13 ----- (-0.8)
Frias: 17 ------- 3.00 ------ 2.0
Morales: 16 ------ 4.50 ------ 0.5
Boswell: 16 ------ 3.79 ----- (-2.1)
Chalk: 15 ----- 3.16 ------ 3.1
Valentine: 15 ------ 2.56 ------ (-2.2)
B. Robinson: 14 ------- 3.47 ------- 13.7

knockahoma · 06-07-2009, 01:23 PM

Quote:

White: .967 ----- 20
Harrelson: .968 ------ 20
Foli: .971 ------ 20
Tyson: .955 ------ 19
Terrell: .960 ----- 19
Frias: .962 ----- 19
Patek: .967 ----- 18
Belanger: .984 ----- 18
Dent: .972 ---- 18
Michael: .970 ---- 18

Yeah. That kind of list kills me. A 2b, a 33 year old dude at the end of a fine defensive career, three utility guys who were better off at 2b, and freakin' Freddie Patek

, all ahead of an 8 time gold glover in his defensive prime.

Pstrickert. I took a piece of info gleened from you and ran with it on another thread. RTOT/YR might help solve our issue here.

pstrickert · 06-07-2009, 09:36 PM

I know I've probably made my point, but . . . .

NL Shortstops - 1974

FldPct (real) ---- Inf Error Rating (ootp)

Bowa: .984 ---- 16
Metzger: .976 ----- 17
Foli: .971 ---- 20
Speier: .969 ---- 18
Harrelson: .968 --- 20
Hernandez: .966 ---- 17
Concepcion: .963 ---- 17
Kessinger: .958 ---- 18
Robinson: .956 ---- 17
Tyson: .955 ---- 19
Russell: .946 ---- 15
Taveras: .941 ---- 17

Lg Avg: .961

rwd59 · 06-07-2009, 09:53 PM

Point taken and fully agreed with. There are many examples of strange fielding ratings within the game.

06-06-2009, 11:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,889 Thanks: 331 Thanked 385x in 223 posts	the fielding model I started a thread on the beta board about my frustrations with the OOTP fielding model. I thought I'd get some feedback here by posting an example of the things that mystify me. 1974 Import - 1-year recalc Dave Chalk (CAL) ------- Mark Belanger (BAL) RF/9: 4.88 (below avg) ------ 5.20 (best) Rtz: -10.5 (very poor) --------17.5 (best) FldPct: .938 (poor) ------ .984 (best) Infield Range in OOTP: 15 ------- 16 Infield Error in OOTP: 17 ------ 18 Overall Rating at SS: 15 ------ 17 Last edited by pstrickert; 06-07-2009 at 12:51 PM.

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06-07-2009, 12:55 PM	#4 (permalink)
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,889 Thanks: 331 Thanked 385x in 223 posts	Highest-rated SS in 1974 FldPct (real) ----- Infield Error Rating (OOTP) White: .967 ----- 20 Harrelson: .968 ------ 20 Foli: .971 ------ 20 Tyson: .955 ------ 19 Terrell: .960 ----- 19 Frias: .962 ----- 19 Patek: .967 ----- 18 Belanger: .984 ----- 18 Dent: .972 ---- 18 Michael: .970 ---- 18

06-07-2009, 01:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
StyxNCa Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Victoria, Texas Posts: 3,000 Thanks: 228 Thanked 177x in 105 posts	I have had problems with the fielding ever since OOTP2007, especially the error ratings. I have imported the fielding based on 1 year and based on career and the error number appears to be the same. People with low fldg % (Jay Alou in 1969 for example) receive error ratings that aren't worse than average. Range factors...another thing I don't understand. Even when editing the database to show the actual number of innings a player played at a position, the game seems to default to atts/game rather than atts/9 innings to create a range rating, so players who had great range (ie, CF, 3.00 atts/9 innings) but played 1/2 of the possible innings get screwed since the game sees them as 1.5 atts/game. So this results in players who were primarily defensive replacements being rendered useless in the game. I would like to manually adjust the ratings but I have no idea what to adjust them to and there is nothing I can reference to help me figure it out.

06-07-2009, 01:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,889 Thanks: 331 Thanked 385x in 223 posts	Top 3B in 1974 (as per Inf Rng Rating) Inf Rng Rating ------ RF/9 -------- Rtz White: 20 ------ 3.62 ----- (-1.9) Terrell: 17 ------ 3.13 ----- (-0.8) Frias: 17 ------- 3.00 ------ 2.0 Morales: 16 ------ 4.50 ------ 0.5 Boswell: 16 ------ 3.79 ----- (-2.1) Chalk: 15 ----- 3.16 ------ 3.1 Valentine: 15 ------ 2.56 ------ (-2.2) B. Robinson: 14 ------- 3.47 ------- 13.7

06-07-2009, 09:36 PM	#8 (permalink)
pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,889 Thanks: 331 Thanked 385x in 223 posts	I know I've probably made my point, but . . . . NL Shortstops - 1974 FldPct (real) ---- Inf Error Rating (ootp) Bowa: .984 ---- 16 Metzger: .976 ----- 17 Foli: .971 ---- 20 Speier: .969 ---- 18 Harrelson: .968 --- 20 Hernandez: .966 ---- 17 Concepcion: .963 ---- 17 Kessinger: .958 ---- 18 Robinson: .956 ---- 17 Tyson: .955 ---- 19 Russell: .946 ---- 15 Taveras: .941 ---- 17 Lg Avg: .961

06-07-2009, 09:53 PM	#9 (permalink)
rwd59 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: LA (Lower Alabama) Posts: 710 Thanks: 6 Thanked 3x in 3 posts	Point taken and fully agreed with. There are many examples of strange fielding ratings within the game.