Reserve Roster Limits

CBL-Commish · 06-07-2009, 09:28 AM

So when I saw the feature announced that we could set limits for reserve rosters (for teams without minor league systems) I assumed that meant we could make the reserve rosters essentially go away. I'd always wanted to model small, cash-strapped independent leagues and the concept that an injury would make them go out and scour the dregs of the free agent pool for someone who'd sign for peanuts on short notice.

But the limit is 15. Even the smallest indy team can have 15 players on ready reserve. You'd have to have a bus crash, or injuries set to "daily nuclear shelling" to have a real scramble for players. In practical terms, is there anything different from the pre-X days where teams can hoard 50 or 80 or more players, and today where they have to hoard at least 15?

To me it still seems a little absurd that a little regional league with active rosters under 20, that struggles to meet payroll, is going to always have 15 guys sitting around doing nothing, waiting for an injury.

And this means that the roster size is almost meaningless. Teams can still stash pitchers on the reserve roster at any time, and call them up on a moment's notice to start or relieve when the rest of the staff is tired. For all intents and purposes except in-game switches an independent league still has (at a minimum) 30-man rosters.

All OOTPX has done is change the scope of the problem from wildly unrealistic to fairly unrealistic.

Cryomaniac · 06-07-2009, 09:52 AM

To me the reserve roster in a indy league is the scrubs who practice with a team to give them something to practice against.

CBL-Commish · 06-07-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

To me the reserve roster in a indy league is the scrubs who practice with a team to give them something to practice against.

Ok, but what happens with lower-level leagues is that there isn't a whole lot of differentiation between players. On a 20-80 scale I have leagues where the average ability in the 20s and 30s. So the scrubs on the reserve roster are only a tiny bit worse than the regulars. I've had a guy who was leading the league in batting take a couple point talent hit and get sent to the reserve squad, never to play again.

If a guy takes a 15% hit from a day-to-day injury they'll just stick him on reserve and call up someone better.

And there's nothing stopping a team from making the reserve roster into a way to have a 15-man pitching staff on a team with an 18-man active roster.

struggles_mightily · 06-07-2009, 10:59 AM

I was hoping for the chance to set a limit of 5-10 players for the reserve rosters, so I'm finding the current option a little too high also.

As far as the "taxi squad" problem is concerned, could you do something like setting a "forty man" roster limit (for want of a better phrase) at the same size as your active roster limit? I'm just talking aloud here, really: I'm sure there are reasons why that wouldn't work.

Cryomaniac · 06-07-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by CBL-Commish

And there's nothing stopping a team from making the reserve roster into a way to have a 15-man pitching staff on a team with an 18-man active roster.

Depending on the rules, even with a 4 man reserve roster, people could do that in real life...

No Pepper · 06-07-2009, 02:06 PM

Thanks for reporting this CBL. It was one feature I was worried about and have held off buying the new version. Admittedly though, I have not gotten much time with OOTP9 so I'll try to get my money's worth with that before X.

Sounds like your ratings drop demotion for the batting champ will be/has been a typical result in leagues without minors, especially for a league with low rated players. I assume your universe has major leagues apart from your independent. I can't see it being as big a problem if this league was the only one (you could then set it to major league equivalent) but then what's the point of having an independent league? The multi-league universe as opposed to a single majors with minors universe apparently still needs some love for it to work correctly and intuitively.

discodude5 · 06-07-2009, 06:08 PM

I agree CBL, I was hoping to be able to set it to any limit I wanted and the current minimum of 15 is pretty much worthless.
I think a lot of people interested in this had visions of these small indy leagues and not having to deal with 50+ guys on the reserve roster.

bailey · 06-07-2009, 06:55 PM

This was also a big disappointment for me, too. I was expecting any number, not 15 minimum.

06-07-2009, 09:28 AM	#1 (permalink)
CBL-Commish All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,739 Thanks: 15 Thanked 113x in 63 posts	Reserve Roster Limits So when I saw the feature announced that we could set limits for reserve rosters (for teams without minor league systems) I assumed that meant we could make the reserve rosters essentially go away. I'd always wanted to model small, cash-strapped independent leagues and the concept that an injury would make them go out and scour the dregs of the free agent pool for someone who'd sign for peanuts on short notice. But the limit is 15. Even the smallest indy team can have 15 players on ready reserve. You'd have to have a bus crash, or injuries set to "daily nuclear shelling" to have a real scramble for players. In practical terms, is there anything different from the pre-X days where teams can hoard 50 or 80 or more players, and today where they have to hoard at least 15? To me it still seems a little absurd that a little regional league with active rosters under 20, that struggles to meet payroll, is going to always have 15 guys sitting around doing nothing, waiting for an injury. And this means that the roster size is almost meaningless. Teams can still stash pitchers on the reserve roster at any time, and call them up on a moment's notice to start or relieve when the rest of the staff is tired. For all intents and purposes except in-game switches an independent league still has (at a minimum) 30-man rosters. All OOTPX has done is change the scope of the problem from wildly unrealistic to fairly unrealistic. __________________ For the best in O's news: Orioles' Hangout.com

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Cryomaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Newark, Notts, UK Posts: 2,945 Thanks: 4,387 Thanked 301x in 232 posts	To me the reserve roster in a indy league is the scrubs who practice with a team to give them something to practice against. __________________

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No Pepper All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,036 Thanks: 46 Thanked 171x in 75 posts	Thanks for reporting this CBL. It was one feature I was worried about and have held off buying the new version. Admittedly though, I have not gotten much time with OOTP9 so I'll try to get my money's worth with that before X. Sounds like your ratings drop demotion for the batting champ will be/has been a typical result in leagues without minors, especially for a league with low rated players. I assume your universe has major leagues apart from your independent. I can't see it being as big a problem if this league was the only one (you could then set it to major league equivalent) but then what's the point of having an independent league? The multi-league universe as opposed to a single majors with minors universe apparently still needs some love for it to work correctly and intuitively. __________________ Current Dynasty: The Slippery Elm Boys Historical Uniforms: Major, Minor, Latin and Negro Leagues 19th century uniforms and templates. Logo Collection

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bailey Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 428 Thanks: 19 Thanked 56x in 37 posts	This was also a big disappointment for me, too. I was expecting any number, not 15 minimum. __________________ FoolX: Las Vegas Wildcats

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06-07-2009, 10:59 AM	#4 (permalink)
struggles_mightily Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 195 Thanks: 6 Thanked 10x in 6 posts	I was hoping for the chance to set a limit of 5-10 players for the reserve rosters, so I'm finding the current option a little too high also. As far as the "taxi squad" problem is concerned, could you do something like setting a "forty man" roster limit (for want of a better phrase) at the same size as your active roster limit? I'm just talking aloud here, really: I'm sure there are reasons why that wouldn't work.

06-07-2009, 06:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
discodude5 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 187 Thanks: 37 Thanked 7x in 5 posts	I agree CBL, I was hoping to be able to set it to any limit I wanted and the current minimum of 15 is pretty much worthless. I think a lot of people interested in this had visions of these small indy leagues and not having to deal with 50+ guys on the reserve roster.