2009 Cy Young - Page 2

goldenglove_21 · 06-08-2009, 11:01 PM

Um.. I'm pretty sure the baseball writers would vote for Harden in this situation. 1 win is really that big of a difference when he leads in so many different categories?

chimanbj · 06-08-2009, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

Except that if this was an actual vote, Arroyo would get it because of the twenty wins. Harden may well have pitched better (what do the team records and the run support data look like?) but a twenty game winner is a twenty game winner.

I will respectfully disagree and cast a vote which cancels yours :-)

jbergey22 · 06-08-2009, 11:47 PM

19 wins, 2.31 ERA and 250+ ks in 27 starts. This is a no brainer!

Giants44 · 06-09-2009, 12:49 AM

I don't think it is even debatable - Harden clearly better.

Fenway · 06-09-2009, 01:36 AM

Lannan! If he wins 20 games for the Nationals, he deserves to be inducted into the Hall of Fame!

pjs24 · 06-09-2009, 03:24 AM

Harden by an absolute landslide, not sure how this a vote!

pjs24 · 06-09-2009, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

Except that if this was an actual vote, Arroyo would get it because of the twenty wins. Harden may well have pitched better (what do the team records and the run support data look like?) but a twenty game winner is a twenty game winner.

No he wouldn't. The baseball writers, as a group, are dolts, but your nuts if you think one win would give Arroyo the W in a real-life situation. The closest, most recent RL situation to this was Bartolo Colon's thievery of the Cy Young award over Johan Santana. He had no business winning the award, but it was 5 wins, not 1.

0% chance Arroyo would win if this was RL.

Dave1408 · 06-09-2009, 08:52 AM

Definitely Harden. Those ERA and K numbers just put him far above the rest IMO.

kcroyalgm · 06-09-2009, 09:29 AM

Harden.
No brainer even for a baseball writer.

Sans Pystal · 06-09-2009, 10:21 AM

If those four pitchers gave the best performances in your NL, then Harden wins.

I don't even need to see the other stats.

Most of us have been waiting for Harden to have that year anyway.

Jamee999 · 06-09-2009, 02:32 PM

The win is the stupidest ****ing stat ever.

gnomez · 06-11-2009, 06:24 PM

Harden would get my vote.
Todd Wellemeyer, Todd Wellemeyer...

Just played a game where he ended up with 23 wins and a 2.10 ERA. In that same game though, Geovany Soto hit .220 with 1 HR.

RichardL · 06-12-2009, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamee999

The win is the stupidest ****ing stat ever.

I agree that ERA is pretty much the most important stat.

But you cant rule out wins. For example, what if a pitcher happens to always be pitching when the wind blows in at wrigley field? Or perhaps a shadow lies across the mound for 5 innings at several of you starts, thus causing hitters to not pick up the ball as well and help your ERA?

If you win a game, by definition you out duel the opposition pitcher, who is pitching on the same day, and in the same environment

codyg19 · 06-12-2009, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by RichardL

If you win a game, by definition you out duel the opposition pitcher, who is pitching on the same day, and in the same environment

Or you just happen to be the pitcher on record when your team takes the lead in the 8th inning, after you came in to get the last out of the inning and will now be replaced by the closer.

I understand we're talking about starting pitchers though, I was just pointing out how arbitrary a win could be.

RichardL · 06-12-2009, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by codyg19

Or you just happen to be the pitcher on record when your team takes the lead in the 8th inning, after you came in to get the last out of the inning and will now be replaced by the closer.

I understand we're talking about starting pitchers though, I was just pointing out how arbitrary a win could be.

O well, for relivers i agree the 'win' stat is utterly pointless

View Poll Results: Who should win CY Young Based on stats (see below)
Bronson Arroyo	6	8.57%
John Lannan	1	1.43%
Todd Wellemeyer	1	1.43%
Rich Harden	62	88.57%
Voters: 70. You may not vote on this poll

06-08-2009, 11:01 PM	#21 (permalink)
goldenglove_21 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 75 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1x in 1 post	Um.. I'm pretty sure the baseball writers would vote for Harden in this situation. 1 win is really that big of a difference when he leads in so many different categories? __________________

06-09-2009, 12:49 AM	#24 (permalink)
Giants44 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,039 Thanks: 25 Thanked 63x in 27 posts	I don't think it is even debatable - Harden clearly better. __________________ "In a text sim - Immersion is everything" -Me "Judge a man not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character" -Martin Luther King "Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." -Einstein "The man who views the world at 50 the same as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." -Muhammad Ali "Baseball statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything." -Toby Harrah

06-09-2009, 10:21 AM	#30 (permalink)
Sans Pystal Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2007 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	If those four pitchers gave the best performances in your NL, then Harden wins. I don't even need to see the other stats. Most of us have been waiting for Harden to have that year anyway. __________________ "The most important things to say are those which often I did not think necessary for me to say - because they were too obvious." André Gide

06-09-2009, 02:32 PM	#31 (permalink)
Jamee999 Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 347 Thanks: 155 Thanked 29x in 21 posts	The win is the stupidest ****ing stat ever. __________________ The Captain: Jason Barnes

06-08-2009, 11:47 PM	#23 (permalink)
jbergey22 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,078 Thanks: 151 Thanked 137x in 105 posts	19 wins, 2.31 ERA and 250+ ks in 27 starts. This is a no brainer!

06-09-2009, 01:36 AM	#25 (permalink)
Fenway Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 139 Thanks: 3 Thanked 5x in 5 posts	Lannan! If he wins 20 games for the Nationals, he deserves to be inducted into the Hall of Fame!

06-09-2009, 03:24 AM	#26 (permalink)
pjs24 Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Harden by an absolute landslide, not sure how this a vote!

06-09-2009, 08:52 AM	#28 (permalink)
Dave1408 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 161 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3x in 3 posts	Definitely Harden. Those ERA and K numbers just put him far above the rest IMO.

06-09-2009, 09:29 AM	#29 (permalink)
kcroyalgm All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 510 Thanks: 2 Thanked 14x in 12 posts	Harden. No brainer even for a baseball writer.

06-11-2009, 06:24 PM	#32 (permalink)
gnomez Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2009 Location: under the sea in a submersible ship called the Flying Dutchman Posts: 113 Thanks: 13 Thanked 2x in 2 posts	Harden would get my vote. Todd Wellemeyer, Todd Wellemeyer... Just played a game where he ended up with 23 wins and a 2.10 ERA. In that same game though, Geovany Soto hit .220 with 1 HR.

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