2009 Cy Young

Jose Cardenal's Afro · 06-07-2009, 11:10 AM

here are the candidates and stats: vote

Bronson Arroyo(CIN) 20 W 7 L 2.91 ERA 138 K

John Lannan(WAS) 20 W 8 L 5.02 ERA 148 K

Todd Wellemeyer(SLN) 20 W 7 L 3.89 ERA 159 K

Rich Harden(CHI) 19 W 8 L 2.31 ERA 254 K

Malleus Dei · 06-07-2009, 11:16 AM

What are the rest of their stats? Based on what you posted, I'd vote for Arroyo.

Jamee999 · 06-07-2009, 11:16 AM

Harden.

Storm · 06-07-2009, 11:29 AM

I'd vote for Arroyo if I didn't see Harden.

MimesisBTG · 06-07-2009, 11:39 AM

I would need more stats to make the final call, but right now I'm with Harden.

Jose Cardenal's Afro · 06-07-2009, 11:55 AM

more stats

Vorp

Harden 76.5
Arroyo 64

Opponents AVG

Harden .214
Arroyo .242

Baserunners per 9

Harden 9.34
Arroyo 10.77

Harden was the leader in 9 categories
Arroyo was tied for first in 1

pseudofool · 06-07-2009, 11:57 AM

Why is Lannan even being considered? That ERA is yuck.

MizzouRah · 06-07-2009, 12:36 PM

Harden

Todd Wellemeyer?

Afino · 06-07-2009, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pseudofool

Why is Lannan even being considered? That ERA is yuck.

Because all the baseball writers look at is Wins.

Jose Cardenal's Afro · 06-07-2009, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afino

Because all the baseball writers look at is Wins.

20 wins automatically gets you a look.

Malleus Dei · 06-07-2009, 02:25 PM

Twenty wins is huge. Nineteen wins isn't.

It may not be fair, but that's how it is.

chimanbj · 06-07-2009, 02:29 PM

20 wins may be a magical number, but 19 is nothing to sneeze at, and Arroyo has over 100 Ks fewer than Harden. In that sense, it's a no-brainer. Harden is your winner...

Malleus Dei · 06-07-2009, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chimanbj

20 wins may be a magical number, but 19 is nothing to sneeze at, and Arroyo has over 100 Ks fewer than Harden. In that sense, it's a no-brainer. Harden is your winner...

Except that if this was an actual vote, Arroyo would get it because of the twenty wins. Harden may well have pitched better (what do the team records and the run support data look like?) but a twenty game winner is a twenty game winner.

Jose Cardenal's Afro · 06-07-2009, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

Except that if this was an actual vote, Arroyo would get it because of the twenty wins. Harden may well have pitched better (what do the team records and the run support data look like?) but a twenty game winner is a twenty game winner.

Cincy won 93 games and Chi won 88. Can't find run support during pitching performances though.

Arroyo did not spend anytime on DL Harden had 2 15 day stints.

damientheomen3 · 06-07-2009, 06:27 PM

Lannan!!!! jk Harden

ctorg · 06-07-2009, 06:31 PM

Who I would vote for: Harden.

Who would win: Arroyo.

damientheomen3 · 06-07-2009, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jose Cardenal's Afro

Cincy won 93 games and Chi won 88. Can't find run support during pitching performances though.

Arroyo did not spend anytime on DL Harden had 2 15 day stints.

harden must've gotten a decision for every single start if he technically missed a month and still got 27 decisions

TwoThirtyTwo · 06-07-2009, 07:39 PM

What about starts/appearances, IP, and quality starts?

Storm · 06-07-2009, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Afino

Because all the baseball writers look at is Wins.

I wish they looked at Beckett's wins in 2007...

2007 Awards Voting - Baseball-Reference.com

Jose Cardenal's Afro · 06-07-2009, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damientheomen3

harden must've gotten a decision for every single start if he technically missed a month and still got 27 decisions

that is the case

View Poll Results: Who should win CY Young Based on stats (see below)
Bronson Arroyo	6	8.57%
John Lannan	1	1.43%
Todd Wellemeyer	1	1.43%
Rich Harden	62	88.57%
Voters: 70. You may not vote on this poll

06-07-2009, 11:10 AM	#1 (permalink)
Jose Cardenal's Afro Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Limbo Posts: 369 Thanks: 10 Thanked 14x in 10 posts	2009 Cy Young here are the candidates and stats: vote Bronson Arroyo(CIN) 20 W 7 L 2.91 ERA 138 K John Lannan(WAS) 20 W 8 L 5.02 ERA 148 K Todd Wellemeyer(SLN) 20 W 7 L 3.89 ERA 159 K Rich Harden(CHI) 19 W 8 L 2.31 ERA 254 K

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MimesisBTG Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 104 Thanks: 82 Thanked 96x in 18 posts	I would need more stats to make the final call, but right now I'm with Harden.

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Jose Cardenal's Afro Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Limbo Posts: 369 Thanks: 10 Thanked 14x in 10 posts	more stats Vorp Harden 76.5 Arroyo 64 Opponents AVG Harden .214 Arroyo .242 Baserunners per 9 Harden 9.34 Arroyo 10.77 Harden was the leader in 9 categories Arroyo was tied for first in 1

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pseudofool Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 220 Thanks: 25 Thanked 1x in 1 post	Why is Lannan even being considered? That ERA is yuck.

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