Do you set your lineup or do you ask your manager?

jar2574 · 06-07-2009, 02:51 PM

Mired in a 12 game losing streak, I caved in and let the manager have the lineup he wanted.

I think they usually stick weak hitters in the 2 spot.

But lo and behold, my team started winning.

So, does the AI know best when setting lineups?

MizzouRah · 06-07-2009, 03:15 PM

I like to set mine on my own.. but to each his own.

kq76 · 06-07-2009, 03:17 PM

I find that the AI does a good enough job at it that it's not worth my time. Besides, studies have shown that lineup order doesn't have a huge effect on the outcome of games as long as it's sensible (e.g. conventional/traditional or descending OBA). So as long as you've got your best players in the lineup in a somewhat sensible order, you should be fine.

If you're finding you're not winning it's probably best to invest more energy into finding and developing better players than tweaking your lineup.

ootp3to6 · 06-07-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kq76

If you're finding you're not winning it's probably best to invest more energy into finding and developing better players than tweaking your lineup.

Thanks for the tip.

Malleus Dei · 06-07-2009, 05:41 PM

Having an optimal lineup can get you an extra win or two over a season...and sometimes that's the difference between going to the playoffs and watching someone else in them. Don't neglect your lineup.

Jeremy Weimer · 06-07-2009, 06:10 PM

I've used the manager to set my lineups for the last 2-3 versions. I find they do a better job at it than I do, so why mess with a good thing?

mafia geek · 06-07-2009, 06:18 PM

I always set my lineups. It's one of my favorite things to do in OOTP when I start a new league.

I let the manager set the minor league ones though.

AirmenSmith · 06-07-2009, 06:37 PM

I let my manager set my lineup. The reason I do that is because I just play the role of GM and they don't set lineups in real life.

Tekneek · 06-07-2009, 06:37 PM

I may not be the typical OOTP player. I far prefer the GM part of the simulation experience, and leave the managing to a manager. If I do any managing, it is because I fired my manager during the season and have not yet replaced him.

Obviously, if I am playing out a "career" and working my way up from the lowest minor leagues, I have to set all the lineups and such while I have been hired to be a manager at a particular level.

conception · 06-07-2009, 07:48 PM

To me, setting the lineups is an integral part of my OOTP experience. In my experience sometimes I'm smarter than the computer manager but sometimes I'm not because I manage base on pre-conceptions whereas the computer will just look at empirical evidence. But agonizing over the lineups is part of what makes OOTP fun for me and I'd have a hard time letting the computer control my entire team.

bosunmate · 06-07-2009, 07:59 PM

Let the computer do it...

Linenoise · 06-07-2009, 09:23 PM

I let the manager do it and then I tweak it when I feel it is necessary. For instance, when I got a young player who I want to get in steady playing time, but his ratings are inferior to another player. Generally, the AI selects the better player over the developing player.

I also tend to tweak the pitching setup more than the lineup, I rarely modify the lineup, focusing mainly on the depth chart and pitching assignments.

satchel · 06-07-2009, 09:51 PM

My lineups are carefully-crafted works of art. There's no way I'd let the AI set mine.

Malleus Dei · 06-07-2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by satchel

My lineups are carefully-crafted works of art.

At least until the first injury hits.

CoolDudeWill · 06-07-2009, 11:23 PM

Is there any way for the manager to constantly update his lineup daily? I don't like having to worry about the lineup when I have an injury or add a player.

Neolithic · 06-08-2009, 12:24 AM

like others have said. I play a GM role, that's slightly more involved, but still not managing.

I let managers set the minor league rosters, and handle demotion/promotion in the minors. (but I may take back that role as I get more comfortable) But I have the game set to let me handle lineup's, however, I merely set the depth charts for each scenario (LHP,RHP, DH, ETC) and then use the function button to ask the manager for all lineups only.

I sim a week at a time, and I usually redo the "ask manager for lineups every sim or two, depending on injury or how someone is playing.

jabrown6940 · 06-08-2009, 07:55 PM

I'm lazy and let the manager set up the depth charts and lineup. If he wasn't such a freakin' nut playing one 1st baseman at catcher, the other 1st baseman in right field, he wouldn't have to play the left fielder at first. I'm not playing with coaches on but I think I'll turn it on for a day so I can fire this screwball.

Nukester · 06-08-2009, 08:20 PM

I set my own major league lineups, but I let the AI set my minor league lineups. I do all roster moves, trades, etc though. Minor league lineups and minor league pitching rotation are pretty much the only things I let the AI do for my teams

satchel · 06-08-2009, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

At least until the first injury hits.

Injuries merely challenge my creativity, which then excels to even greater heights.

twistedratt · 06-08-2009, 10:03 PM

I usually let the manager set the line-ups but will make changes if the teams is really struggling.

06-07-2009, 02:51 PM	#1 (permalink)
jar2574 Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 391 Thanks: 62 Thanked 24x in 18 posts	Do you set your lineup or do you ask your manager? Mired in a 12 game losing streak, I caved in and let the manager have the lineup he wanted. I think they usually stick weak hitters in the 2 spot. But lo and behold, my team started winning. So, does the AI know best when setting lineups?

06-07-2009, 03:17 PM	#3 (permalink)
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 7,623 Thanks: 281 Thanked 332x in 190 posts	I find that the AI does a good enough job at it that it's not worth my time. Besides, studies have shown that lineup order doesn't have a huge effect on the outcome of games as long as it's sensible (e.g. conventional/traditional or descending OBA). So as long as you've got your best players in the lineup in a somewhat sensible order, you should be fine. If you're finding you're not winning it's probably best to invest more energy into finding and developing better players than tweaking your lineup. __________________ Useful Links: Manuals \| Downloads \| Newsletters \| Knowledge Base \| New Tech Support \| Updated Forum Rules Interactive Online League Directory - find or advertise a league today! Canadian Baseball League - uses OOTP11, running steadily since April 2002 Last edited by kq76; 06-07-2009 at 03:22 PM.

06-07-2009, 06:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
AirmenSmith All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: San Antonio TX Posts: 1,155 Thanks: 120 Thanked 124x in 70 posts	I let my manager set my lineup. The reason I do that is because I just play the role of GM and they don't set lineups in real life. __________________ Go to ITP forums and show your support for the greatest baseball RPG ever

06-07-2009, 06:37 PM	#9 (permalink)
Tekneek Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bethlehem, GA, USA Posts: 323 Thanks: 9 Thanked 1x in 1 post	I may not be the typical OOTP player. I far prefer the GM part of the simulation experience, and leave the managing to a manager. If I do any managing, it is because I fired my manager during the season and have not yet replaced him. Obviously, if I am playing out a "career" and working my way up from the lowest minor leagues, I have to set all the lineups and such while I have been hired to be a manager at a particular level. __________________ OOTP2007 Historical League Experiment.

06-07-2009, 09:51 PM	#13 (permalink)
satchel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ft Smith AR Posts: 2,680 Thanks: 52 Thanked 48x in 26 posts	My lineups are carefully-crafted works of art. There's no way I'd let the AI set mine. __________________ JL Commish NPBL Rhode Island Reds ’33 ’34 ’35 TCBA San Francisco Railbornes ’74 ’76 ’77 ’78 FL New Orleans Black Sox ’56 ’57 ’58 ’59 IOLD

06-07-2009, 03:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 3,466 Thanks: 91 Thanked 380x in 214 posts	I like to set mine on my own.. but to each his own.

06-07-2009, 06:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Mounds View, MN Posts: 3,376 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4x in 2 posts	I've used the manager to set my lineups for the last 2-3 versions. I find they do a better job at it than I do, so why mess with a good thing?

06-07-2009, 06:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
mafia geek Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	I always set my lineups. It's one of my favorite things to do in OOTP when I start a new league. I let the manager set the minor league ones though.

06-07-2009, 07:48 PM	#10 (permalink)
conception All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 868 Thanks: 28 Thanked 84x in 50 posts	To me, setting the lineups is an integral part of my OOTP experience. In my experience sometimes I'm smarter than the computer manager but sometimes I'm not because I manage base on pre-conceptions whereas the computer will just look at empirical evidence. But agonizing over the lineups is part of what makes OOTP fun for me and I'd have a hard time letting the computer control my entire team.

06-07-2009, 07:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
bosunmate All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 1,138 Thanks: 308 Thanked 56x in 28 posts	Let the computer do it...

06-07-2009, 09:23 PM	#12 (permalink)
Linenoise Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 113 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2x in 2 posts	I let the manager do it and then I tweak it when I feel it is necessary. For instance, when I got a young player who I want to get in steady playing time, but his ratings are inferior to another player. Generally, the AI selects the better player over the developing player. I also tend to tweak the pitching setup more than the lineup, I rarely modify the lineup, focusing mainly on the depth chart and pitching assignments.

06-07-2009, 11:23 PM	#15 (permalink)
CoolDudeWill Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3x in 2 posts	Is there any way for the manager to constantly update his lineup daily? I don't like having to worry about the lineup when I have an injury or add a player.

06-08-2009, 12:24 AM	#16 (permalink)
Neolithic Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 23 Thanks: 11 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	like others have said. I play a GM role, that's slightly more involved, but still not managing. I let managers set the minor league rosters, and handle demotion/promotion in the minors. (but I may take back that role as I get more comfortable) But I have the game set to let me handle lineup's, however, I merely set the depth charts for each scenario (LHP,RHP, DH, ETC) and then use the function button to ask the manager for all lineups only. I sim a week at a time, and I usually redo the "ask manager for lineups every sim or two, depending on injury or how someone is playing.

06-08-2009, 08:20 PM	#18 (permalink)
Nukester All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newburgh, NY Posts: 1,930 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2x in 2 posts	I set my own major league lineups, but I let the AI set my minor league lineups. I do all roster moves, trades, etc though. Minor league lineups and minor league pitching rotation are pretty much the only things I let the AI do for my teams __________________ Well, I don't really think that the end can be assessed as of itself as being the end because what does the end feel like? It's like saying when you try to extrapolate the end of the universe, you say, if the universe is indeed infinite, then how - what does that mean? How far is all the way, and then if it stops, what's stopping it, and what's behind what's stopping it? So, what's the end, you know, is my question to you. Last edited by Nukester; 06-08-2009 at 08:27 PM.

06-08-2009, 10:03 PM	#20 (permalink)
twistedratt Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	I usually let the manager set the line-ups but will make changes if the teams is really struggling.

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