"Out at the plate"

waltwa · 06-07-2009, 03:26 PM

i have never seen so many players thrown out at the plate. However it only seems to happen to the Giants (09).

It seems to be almost 1 per game. I hate to adjust the running scale in the game because Sf is a fairly fast team but if this continues i will have to go almost station to station.

I would love to see in 11 some managerial game decisions that give us the odds of advancing a base. This may just be an aberration but in 14 games there have been at least 7 runners thrown out at the plate.

SteveP · 06-07-2009, 03:31 PM

The baserunning slider in the team strategy page has a huge effect on aggressive baserunning (that is, relatively small changes to this slider make a big difference). So check that out.

One of the big changes in OOTP10 is the frequency of baserunners being thrown out by OFs was made more realistic -- but that means people who were used to what happened in OOTP9 are going to have to adjust their expectations.

actionjackson · 06-07-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by waltwa

i have never seen so many players thrown out at the plate. However it only seems to happen to the Giants (09).

It seems to be almost 1 per game. I hate to adjust the running scale in the game because Sf is a fairly fast team but if this continues i will have to go almost station to station.

I would love to see in 11 some managerial game decisions that give us the odds of advancing a base. This may just be an aberration but in 14 games there have been at least 7 runners thrown out at the plate.

Just a thought. Why should we be provided with the odds of advancing a base? Does the average 3rd base coach pull out his pocket calculator, punching in the respective distances of the fielder and the runner, calculating in the RF's throwing arm and then decide? Nope, he decides in a few seconds, more liberally with two outs and then more conservatively for 1 out and very conservatively with 0 outs. Perhaps a ball park figure of the distances involved, (unless of course that feature's already there: n00b simmer here) which is what the RL coach has. I'm OK with that.

JoeGoNets · 06-07-2009, 03:46 PM

In prior versions, I saw some complaints that "infield in" meant the runner didn't go on a grounder, and "infield back" meant the runner would go and be safe, such that there were no (or perhps very few) plays at home on infield grounders.

Anyone know if this was fixed?

waltwa · 06-07-2009, 03:59 PM

reply to actionjackson

What you say is true. but in real life the basecoach is aware of a number of things. does the ofer have a
Clemente or a Bonds (old) arm, the speed of the runner and most important how deep is the flyball. As a Mgr or actually a basecoach that's all i would need in the game to make a decision.

I cited the odds because a number of games do it and actually i agree that rather than odds i would just like to know the 3 factors i mentioned above and then the ability to make the in-game decision.

SteveP · 06-07-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeGoNets

In prior versions, I saw some complaints that "infield in" meant the runner didn't go on a grounder, and "infield back" meant the runner would go and be safe, such that there were no (or perhps very few) plays at home on infield grounders.

Anyone know if this was fixed?

No, the behavior hasn't changed from OOTP9. I was one of those pushing for improvement in this area, but it never got to be a priority (which, actually, I agree with, considering the number of important things that did get fixed). So we just keep it on the list.

JoeGoNets · 06-07-2009, 04:07 PM

The most important thing, in my opinion, is crash avoidance. Next comes completely bizarre activity. This would come after that, I suppose, but not too far after that. I don't care if it becomes a "manager's choice" as in Strat, but it should occur. It would give poor baserunners (like eternal rookie Alex Ochoa) an extra chance to show their "skill."

bschr682 · 06-08-2009, 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waltwa

i have never seen so many players thrown out at the plate. However it only seems to happen to the Giants (09).

It seems to be almost 1 per game. I hate to adjust the running scale in the game because Sf is a fairly fast team but if this continues i will have to go almost station to station.

I would love to see in 11 some managerial game decisions that give us the odds of advancing a base. This may just be an aberration but in 14 games there have been at least 7 runners thrown out at the plate.

my first 12 games with the brew crew. 11 of the 12 games i had a runner thrown out at home. and in 9 of the 12 games the opposing team also had a play at the plate but runner safe every time. granted small sample size but still something to keep an eye on.

Broth32 · 06-08-2009, 07:27 AM

I think it was Strat-O-Matic gave you an option to advance bases with a percentage of success. I would love if OOTP had that option...

SteveP · 06-08-2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bschr682

my first 12 games with the brew crew. 11 of the 12 games i had a runner thrown out at home. and in 9 of the 12 games the opposing team also had a play at the plate but runner safe every time. granted small sample size but still something to keep an eye on.

If you play thru a season and check team OF fielding stats for assists you will see that they compare well with real life stats (especially after the new OF assist League Total Modifier kicks in). One thing that may need to be checked at some point is whether the distribution of these assists by situation (that is, how many involved runners being thrown out at 2nd, or 3rd, or Home) is realistic. It's possible that the distribution is off slightly, but IMHO not enough to cause a serious distortion to game outcomes. Sample size is the most likely explanation.

SteveP · 06-08-2009, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeGoNets

The most important thing, in my opinion, is crash avoidance. Next comes completely bizarre activity. This would come after that, I suppose, but not too far after that. I don't care if it becomes a "manager's choice" as in Strat, but it should occur. It would give poor baserunners (like eternal rookie Alex Ochoa) an extra chance to show their "skill."

My guess is that it would be impractical to give gamers control over baserunning decisions, but I'll leave that for others to debate. Assuming AI control over these decisions, the real question is how often do runners on 3rd try to advance on a grounder when the infield is playing in, IRL and in OOTP? I know that it happens IRL, but rarely. I know it happens in OOTP, but very, very rarely. It's a matter of degree so trying to make a federal case out of it at this stage did not seem appropriate. I hope we can get it looked at for OOTP11, if not a patch for OOTP10 -- and then I'd like to include plays at 3rd on the runner advancing from 2nd to 3rd on a non-force play, which also doesn't happen in OOTP as often as IRL.

Kelric · 06-08-2009, 02:45 PM

I've had one runner thrown out at home in 24 games as the Royals. Of course, we don't have a lot of fast runners.

06-07-2009, 03:26 PM	#1 (permalink)
waltwa All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 636 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6x in 5 posts	"Out at the plate" i have never seen so many players thrown out at the plate. However it only seems to happen to the Giants (09). It seems to be almost 1 per game. I hate to adjust the running scale in the game because Sf is a fairly fast team but if this continues i will have to go almost station to station. I would love to see in 11 some managerial game decisions that give us the odds of advancing a base. This may just be an aberration but in 14 games there have been at least 7 runners thrown out at the plate.

06-07-2009, 03:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
JoeGoNets Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 59 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Any plays at home from the infield In prior versions, I saw some complaints that "infield in" meant the runner didn't go on a grounder, and "infield back" meant the runner would go and be safe, such that there were no (or perhps very few) plays at home on infield grounders. Anyone know if this was fixed?

06-07-2009, 04:07 PM	#7 (permalink)
JoeGoNets Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 59 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Fair enough, Steve The most important thing, in my opinion, is crash avoidance. Next comes completely bizarre activity. This would come after that, I suppose, but not too far after that. I don't care if it becomes a "manager's choice" as in Strat, but it should occur. It would give poor baserunners (like eternal rookie Alex Ochoa) an extra chance to show their "skill."

06-08-2009, 02:45 PM	#12 (permalink)
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,983 Thanks: 7 Thanked 46x in 36 posts	I've had one runner thrown out at home in 24 games as the Royals. Of course, we don't have a lot of fast runners. __________________ Former Co-Commish and owner of the Boston Red Sox, 1783-1144, .609%, of the defunct Overlords Baseball League (1930-48). 17 Division wins, 9 ALCS wins, 5 World Series wins.

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06-07-2009, 03:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
SteveP Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,776 Thanks: 6 Thanked 261x in 198 posts	The baserunning slider in the team strategy page has a huge effect on aggressive baserunning (that is, relatively small changes to this slider make a big difference). So check that out. One of the big changes in OOTP10 is the frequency of baserunners being thrown out by OFs was made more realistic -- but that means people who were used to what happened in OOTP9 are going to have to adjust their expectations.

06-07-2009, 03:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
waltwa All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 636 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6x in 5 posts	reply to actionjackson What you say is true. but in real life the basecoach is aware of a number of things. does the ofer have a Clemente or a Bonds (old) arm, the speed of the runner and most important how deep is the flyball. As a Mgr or actually a basecoach that's all i would need in the game to make a decision. I cited the odds because a number of games do it and actually i agree that rather than odds i would just like to know the 3 factors i mentioned above and then the ability to make the in-game decision.

06-08-2009, 07:27 AM	#9 (permalink)
Broth32 Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: C-Town Posts: 384 Thanks: 5 Thanked 11x in 9 posts	I think it was Strat-O-Matic gave you an option to advance bases with a percentage of success. I would love if OOTP had that option...