Feeder Issue

neojonas · 06-07-2009, 08:12 PM

I'm doing a bunch of testing with feeder leagues and found something quite strange. I have 92 college teams in my college feeder league. Each team has 25 players. I went through each team's roster to verify this. So I should have 2300 college level players. However, when I go to player search and show all college level players it shows me a lot more then 2300. In my current year it says 2575. I see each team has a few extra players that don't show up on the team's roster. These player's profiles and everything about them indicates they should show up on the team's roster but they don't. These "missing" players aren't just new players or old players. Some have history and have played for the team in past seasons. My college age range is 18-21 and I've seen these players at 19, 20, 21 years old. I looked under the Transaction screen for the team and don't see these guys being released, demoted, or any other roster besides the active roster.

Here's the story of one of these "missing" players.

Mike Dahl (RP)
2017 - Appeared in 18 games
2018 - Appeared in 25 games
2019 - Missing from roster (never appeared in games)
2020 - Appeared in 17 games but still not on roster
2020 - In the draft pool, wasn't drafted and ended up as a free agent

The weirdest part of this was 2020. I saw 2 guys on his team that were missing in 2019 but had played games in 2020. I simmed through the 2020 season until the playoffs had started so I didn't notice Mike Dahl had played during the 2020 season. But the playoffs are going on and Mike Dahl's team is in the playoffs right now but he isn't listed under his team's roster. Maybe he was on the roster during the season and went "missing" again when playoffs started...I'm not sure. It's almost like these feeder teams have hidden reserve rosters. I'm still very confused by this. Anyone else notice this?

Afino · 06-07-2009, 08:22 PM

I've noticed one specific player in my test universe (I simmed ahead to run some testing on feeders, ironically) who joined a feeder team, sat out THE ENTIRE FIVE YEARS HE WAS ELIGIBLE TO PLAY for said team, then was a 1st round pick in the draft and eventually was a star in the bigs.

How does that happen?

Muzamba · 06-07-2009, 08:27 PM

I've been doing some experimenting with feeders lately, since I'm planning on converting my "Complete College Baseball" to a feeder league soon, but I hadn't noticed this issue myself.

In fact, I've actually been trying to figure out ways to limit the number of players the game creates, since my college universe has over 1700 teams and you can only have a minimum of 15 players per roster.

A couple of things I'm wondering about, though...

First, since the primary purpose of a feeder league is to populate the affiliated major league's amateur player draft, does the game just arbitrarily weed out players it deems unworthy of draft consideration? In other words, maybe its a built-in mechanism for limiting the size of the draft pool.

Also, I noticed the "ghost players" option is available for feeders. Could that somehow be having an effect on the number of visible players in your league?

I'm curious to hear any other information you find out on this, as I'm trying to find the optimal settings to set up my league. Please keep me updated.

Afino · 06-07-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Muzamba

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First, since the primary purpose of a feeder league is to populate the affiliated major league's amateur player draft, does the game just arbitrarily weed out players it deems unworthy of draft consideration?

That wouldn't explain my case though, where a first round pick never played for their feeder team.

neojonas · 06-07-2009, 10:52 PM

I've been doing more investigation. It does seem like every Feeder team has a few "hidden" guys that don't appear on their roster but are on the team on some sort of hidden reserve roster. I figure Markus does this in case a feeder team looses guys to injury or something so they can always stay at 25 guys.

I found a team that had 4 "hidden" guys, on of them a MR. So I took a MR on the active roster and gave them a 6 month injury, simmed a few days, but the injured guy stayed on the active roster. I then made it a career ending injury and simmed a few days, but the injured guy was still on the active roster. Then I retired the guy, simmed a few days and then the hidden MR appeared on the active list.

All the "hidden" guys always seem to be very poor players so at least that's good. I do think if someone on the active roster has a SEI or CEI it should replace them with a "hidden" player.

Also, all these "hidden" players do enter the draft when they come of age and either get drafted or become free agents.

Afino · 06-07-2009, 10:55 PM

I'd really like more clarification from the Beta testers on whether this is truly the case, and if it is, why can't we:

a) see the "reserve" players
b) why they aren't being readily replaced in case of injury (see above post)
c) have apparently high enough potential to be drafted in the 1st round and be a productive ML'er, but can't play on the feeder team for FIVE YEARS they are eligible and on their "expanded" roster (see my above post)

06-07-2009, 08:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
neojonas All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,076 Thanks: 89 Thanked 84x in 34 posts	Feeder Issue I'm doing a bunch of testing with feeder leagues and found something quite strange. I have 92 college teams in my college feeder league. Each team has 25 players. I went through each team's roster to verify this. So I should have 2300 college level players. However, when I go to player search and show all college level players it shows me a lot more then 2300. In my current year it says 2575. I see each team has a few extra players that don't show up on the team's roster. These player's profiles and everything about them indicates they should show up on the team's roster but they don't. These "missing" players aren't just new players or old players. Some have history and have played for the team in past seasons. My college age range is 18-21 and I've seen these players at 19, 20, 21 years old. I looked under the Transaction screen for the team and don't see these guys being released, demoted, or any other roster besides the active roster. Here's the story of one of these "missing" players. Mike Dahl (RP) 2017 - Appeared in 18 games 2018 - Appeared in 25 games 2019 - Missing from roster (never appeared in games) 2020 - Appeared in 17 games but still not on roster 2020 - In the draft pool, wasn't drafted and ended up as a free agent The weirdest part of this was 2020. I saw 2 guys on his team that were missing in 2019 but had played games in 2020. I simmed through the 2020 season until the playoffs had started so I didn't notice Mike Dahl had played during the 2020 season. But the playoffs are going on and Mike Dahl's team is in the playoffs right now but he isn't listed under his team's roster. Maybe he was on the roster during the season and went "missing" again when playoffs started...I'm not sure. It's almost like these feeder teams have hidden reserve rosters. I'm still very confused by this. Anyone else notice this?

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06-07-2009, 08:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
Muzamba All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 1,729 Thanks: 462 Thanked 547x in 234 posts	I've been doing some experimenting with feeders lately, since I'm planning on converting my "Complete College Baseball" to a feeder league soon, but I hadn't noticed this issue myself. In fact, I've actually been trying to figure out ways to limit the number of players the game creates, since my college universe has over 1700 teams and you can only have a minimum of 15 players per roster. A couple of things I'm wondering about, though... First, since the primary purpose of a feeder league is to populate the affiliated major league's amateur player draft, does the game just arbitrarily weed out players it deems unworthy of draft consideration? In other words, maybe its a built-in mechanism for limiting the size of the draft pool. Also, I noticed the "ghost players" option is available for feeders. Could that somehow be having an effect on the number of visible players in your league? I'm curious to hear any other information you find out on this, as I'm trying to find the optimal settings to set up my league. Please keep me updated.

06-07-2009, 10:52 PM	#5 (permalink)
neojonas All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,076 Thanks: 89 Thanked 84x in 34 posts	I've been doing more investigation. It does seem like every Feeder team has a few "hidden" guys that don't appear on their roster but are on the team on some sort of hidden reserve roster. I figure Markus does this in case a feeder team looses guys to injury or something so they can always stay at 25 guys. I found a team that had 4 "hidden" guys, on of them a MR. So I took a MR on the active roster and gave them a 6 month injury, simmed a few days, but the injured guy stayed on the active roster. I then made it a career ending injury and simmed a few days, but the injured guy was still on the active roster. Then I retired the guy, simmed a few days and then the hidden MR appeared on the active list. All the "hidden" guys always seem to be very poor players so at least that's good. I do think if someone on the active roster has a SEI or CEI it should replace them with a "hidden" player. Also, all these "hidden" players do enter the draft when they come of age and either get drafted or become free agents.