Should I Wait For The Game to Be Patched? Do I Even Need OOTPX At All?

manooly · 06-08-2009, 08:39 AM

Hello all! I am a long time OOTP'er (since OOTP2). I have purchased every one since then. For some reason I am holding off buying OOTPX. I think it is because I always buy the game right away and then start leagues and have to restart them when a patch comes out. It is mainly my fault because I like to start a league fresh if something is tweaked within the game when a patch is released.

I'm curious as to how you all feel about the game so far. Do you think alot has to be addressed in the next couple of patches? Should I wait to buy it at least after the 1st patch? I guess I'm just asking you to talk me into buying it now. I'm going to try to hold off and decide if I even want to purchase this version at all (times are tough as far as $$$). I'm still loving OOTP9. It seems to have everything. Why do I need another version of OOTP on my PC?

BTW: I do like the idea of just buying OOTPX to help support Markus and team. They have always delivered a top notch product here!

Thanks for your time!

- manooly

Kelric · 06-08-2009, 11:18 AM

There is nothing major that would prevent me from suggesting the game 'out of the box.' There are minor fixes that I think need to be done and the team seems to be addressing most of them. None of them that I know of will make me restart my solo game. This has been a pretty smooth release, the extra testing time paid off.

Jose Cardenal's Afro · 06-08-2009, 11:21 AM

This has been the cleanest release I have seen. They are collecting data to fix any current issues, but it is still worth it.

bababui · 06-08-2009, 11:36 AM

There is a fairly major issue with pitcher ratings. The AI gives widely fluctuating ratings to individual pitchers in short periods of time. There are a few threads about this. It will warp the AI's judgment in trading or trading for pitchers.

fredandres · 06-08-2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by manooly

Why do I need another version of OOTP on my PC?

The pitching metrics, in addition to the improved engine was enough for me to buy the game. Anyone on the fence should wait a few weeks and try the demo once it's available.

Dave1408 · 06-08-2009, 11:41 AM

I've played enough of my solo league that I really think any fixes will be too minor for me to want to start over. There simply aren't enough problems/any severe problems that are hindering my game play.
Definitely an amazingly clean release!

Eugene Church · 06-08-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by manooly

Hello all! I am a long time OOTP'er (since OOTP2). I have purchased every one since then. For some reason I am holding off buying OOTPX. I think it is because I always buy the game right away and then start leagues and have to restart them when a patch comes out. It is mainly my fault because I like to start a league fresh if something is tweaked within the game when a patch is released.

I'm curious as to how you all feel about the game so far. Do you think alot has to be addressed in the next couple of patches? Should I wait to buy it at least after the 1st patch? I guess I'm just asking you to talk me into buying it now. I'm going to try to hold off and decide if I even want to purchase this version at all (times are tough as far as $$$). I'm still loving OOTP9. It seems to have everything. Why do I need another version of OOTP on my PC?

BTW: I do like the idea of just buying OOTPX to help support Markus and team. They have always delivered a top notch product here!

Thanks for your time!

- manooly

OOTP10 seems to be very stable without any major flaws.

Having said that, I'm ultra-conservative and wait until after the final patch before I convert my league to the latest version. I want the game to be as good as it is going to get before I play my league. I have put three years' work in my league and want to make sure the new version will work well with it.

It is commendable that you want to support Markus and his great game. I hope many of us will do that. I am on the Beta Team and get a free game, but I think I will just buy a version to support Markus and the development team. If they don't do well, then I have no game, which has given me seven years of great enjoyment.

I'm sure OOTP10 will be worth the money.

If you can afford it, buy it. Just run test leagues until the final patch, then start your serious league.

Or do as several have suggested - start a league and see how it works. Just use a back up in case it is not what you want and start over again with each patch. That way you can enjoy the game right now and support Markus, too.

Jose Cardenal's Afro · 06-08-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

There is a fairly major issue with pitcher ratings. The AI gives widely fluctuating ratings to individual pitchers in short periods of time. There are a few threads about this. It will warp the AI's judgment in trading or trading for pitchers.

I haven't seen any trades that are really out the ordinary. I don't know if the AI warping is over the top skewed. That being said it should be normalized in the first patch.

bababui · 06-08-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jose Cardenal's Afro

I haven't seen any trades that are really out the ordinary. I don't know if the AI warping is over the top skewed. That being said it should be normalized in the first patch.

Take a look at this. The AI proposed this deal in the shop a player feature.

bababui · 06-08-2009, 12:18 PM

Scouting is off.

Markus Heinsohn · 06-08-2009, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

Scouting is off.

This happens very rarely and is being fixed in patch #1.

bababui · 06-08-2009, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

This happens very rarely and is being fixed in patch #1.

Jose Cardenal's Afro · 06-08-2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

Take a look at this. The AI proposed this deal in the shop a player feature.

Is it possible that scouts were rating people different. Both players are somewhat inexperienced and young. I had players that my scout thought were 4 star players but once I got them in camp they turned out to be 1/2 star. It is possible that the offering team saw thought the pitcher wasn't as good.

bababui · 06-08-2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jose Cardenal's Afro

Is it possible that scouts were rating people different. Both players are somewhat inexperienced and young. I had players that my scout thought were 4 star players but once I got them in camp they turned out to be 1/2 star. It is possible that the offering team saw thought the pitcher wasn't as good.

Scouting was off. The AI kept changing Hahn's ratings..almost weekly. From 21/73 to 20/20 to 43/43 to 78/78. His talent is mediocre however when compared to the excellent talent of the other guy.

toxicavenger74 · 06-08-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

Scouting was off. The AI kept changing Hahn's ratings..almost weekly. From 21/73 to 20/20 to 43/43 to 78/78. His talent is mediocre however when compared to the excellent talent of the other guy.

I"m more concerned about the Bangkok Ladyboys than any trade issues.

bababui · 06-08-2009, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by toxicavenger74

I"m more concerned about the Bangkok Ladyboys than any trade issues.

Someone at my local Coffee Bean suggested that when I was setting up my league. I thought it was funny so I put it in.

Jose Cardenal's Afro · 06-08-2009, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

Scouting was off. The AI kept changing Hahn's ratings..almost weekly. From 21/73 to 20/20 to 43/43 to 78/78. His talent is mediocre however when compared to the excellent talent of the other guy.

That would be an problem.....haven't seen that in my league. However I may be attributing it to scouting which I have on.

Horks · 06-08-2009, 12:45 PM

To the OP, you realize you asked a question that is impossible for anyone to answer right?

Only you can decide if you have the money to buy a game, especially if one of your reasons is to be kind to the dev team. I have not owned any OOTP version before X, so I'm a bad person to respond to the differences. I can only tell you from a new player stand point, this is an excellent game. My only complaint is all the disk writing it does, which means, I'm waiting for writes more than playing with my rosters and stats. And from what I hear, this is a long standing issue (OOTP has to cache awesome to disk, because it has too much awesome!)

POKeefe · 06-08-2009, 01:18 PM

I've seen the same things as Bababui. Makes it tough to judge pitchers because you can't go on overall ratings, you have to go on their stuff and look at the ratings for yourself.

DDBL · 06-08-2009, 01:47 PM

It seems like you have two questions - how does OOTP X compare to OOTP IX, and how significant are the bugs that need to be corrected in the first patch?

I would definitely recommend buying this game. It features significant changes from OOTP IX, it's not just a patch boxed as a new game.

If you are as uptight as I am about ratings, the current version will not suffice and it probably would be best to wait to buy the game until the patch is released (or go ahead and buy the game, but wait to start your league until after applying the patch).

06-08-2009, 08:39 AM	#1 (permalink)
manooly Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 236 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5x in 4 posts	Should I Wait For The Game to Be Patched? Do I Even Need OOTPX At All? Hello all! I am a long time OOTP'er (since OOTP2). I have purchased every one since then. For some reason I am holding off buying OOTPX. I think it is because I always buy the game right away and then start leagues and have to restart them when a patch comes out. It is mainly my fault because I like to start a league fresh if something is tweaked within the game when a patch is released. I'm curious as to how you all feel about the game so far. Do you think alot has to be addressed in the next couple of patches? Should I wait to buy it at least after the 1st patch? I guess I'm just asking you to talk me into buying it now. I'm going to try to hold off and decide if I even want to purchase this version at all (times are tough as far as $$$). I'm still loving OOTP9. It seems to have everything. Why do I need another version of OOTP on my PC? BTW: I do like the idea of just buying OOTPX to help support Markus and team. They have always delivered a top notch product here! Thanks for your time! - manooly Last edited by manooly; 06-08-2009 at 09:14 AM.

06-08-2009, 11:18 AM	#2 (permalink)
Kelric Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Greater Boston Area Posts: 3,983 Thanks: 7 Thanked 46x in 36 posts	There is nothing major that would prevent me from suggesting the game 'out of the box.' There are minor fixes that I think need to be done and the team seems to be addressing most of them. None of them that I know of will make me restart my solo game. This has been a pretty smooth release, the extra testing time paid off. __________________ Former Co-Commish and owner of the Boston Red Sox, 1783-1144, .609%, of the defunct Overlords Baseball League (1930-48). 17 Division wins, 9 ALCS wins, 5 World Series wins.

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06-08-2009, 11:21 AM	#3 (permalink)
Jose Cardenal's Afro Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Limbo Posts: 369 Thanks: 10 Thanked 14x in 10 posts	This has been the cleanest release I have seen. They are collecting data to fix any current issues, but it is still worth it.

06-08-2009, 11:41 AM	#6 (permalink)
Dave1408 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 161 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3x in 3 posts	I've played enough of my solo league that I really think any fixes will be too minor for me to want to start over. There simply aren't enough problems/any severe problems that are hindering my game play. Definitely an amazingly clean release!

06-08-2009, 12:45 PM	#18 (permalink)
Horks Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 52 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1x in 1 post	To the OP, you realize you asked a question that is impossible for anyone to answer right? Only you can decide if you have the money to buy a game, especially if one of your reasons is to be kind to the dev team. I have not owned any OOTP version before X, so I'm a bad person to respond to the differences. I can only tell you from a new player stand point, this is an excellent game. My only complaint is all the disk writing it does, which means, I'm waiting for writes more than playing with my rosters and stats. And from what I hear, this is a long standing issue (OOTP has to cache awesome to disk, because it has too much awesome!)

06-08-2009, 01:18 PM	#19 (permalink)
POKeefe Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 107 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2x in 2 posts	I've seen the same things as Bababui. Makes it tough to judge pitchers because you can't go on overall ratings, you have to go on their stuff and look at the ratings for yourself.

06-08-2009, 01:47 PM	#20 (permalink)
DDBL Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	It seems like you have two questions - how does OOTP X compare to OOTP IX, and how significant are the bugs that need to be corrected in the first patch? I would definitely recommend buying this game. It features significant changes from OOTP IX, it's not just a patch boxed as a new game. If you are as uptight as I am about ratings, the current version will not suffice and it probably would be best to wait to buy the game until the patch is released (or go ahead and buy the game, but wait to start your league until after applying the patch).