Strict order not so strict?

EnderCN · 06-08-2009, 02:36 PM

I set my league to strict order, 5 man rotation and did a simulation and 33 starters had 35+ starts. Last year only CC Sabathia had 35 and only 12 pitchers had 34. The year before only Willis had 35.

I know it seems kind of minor but these are the types of little glitches that bother me the most in a simulation because it is a league wide issue. It also throws the IP off a bit and leads to way too many 200 IP pitchers because a lot of guys are getting 2 extra starts a year.

Maybe not anything that can be looked at for this version but figured I'd bring it up unless I'm missing some setting that could fix this? I'm also a little curious why this isn't the default setting, I ran a simulation on use most rested and my best starters all sat at 37/38 starts and my 4th/5th starters had under 20. I went and manually changed the setting for all teams but seems like it should have been on by default when starting a new 2009 style league.

Major Leagues

35 - 1
34 - 12
33 - 21
32 - 14

OOTP season

37 - 1 (John Lannan of all people)
36 - 9
35 - 23
34 - 11
33 - 10
32 - 10

SteveP · 06-08-2009, 03:19 PM

I assume you are playing fictional. AFAIK, if you play historical the default setting the AI uses for all its teams is "strict order" but in fictional the default setting the AI uses is "best rested." I have no idea why it's done this way. I also know that there is nothing you can do about it. You can go in as commissioner and change it for an AI managed team, but the AI will change it right back.

One possible way that the underlying problem may improve is if Markus does in fact improve how injuries are distributed between batters and pitchers. Other than that, I am not sure what can be done to program the AI to be more "creative" or flexible in how it handles rotations.

EnderCN · 06-08-2009, 04:21 PM

Ahh I was playing a new 2009 Major League Game and you are correct it just reverted back to highest rested which must be the issue. That is quite annoying.

johndoe8865 · 06-08-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by EnderCN

Ahh I was playing a new 2009 Major League Game and you are correct it just reverted back to highest rested which must be the issue. That is quite annoying.

That is quite annoying and I think should be considered a bug. Hopefully we could get a fix for that so that default for MLB is Strict 5 man?

OldFatGuy · 06-08-2009, 04:45 PM

I wish the AI would be a little, I dunno, intelligent, and make it's choice based on the circumstances. If the fifth starter is a borderline 4th starter, then maybe strict order is called for. If the fifth starter is a borderline major league pitcher, then I would want highest rested starter to limit his starts. Likewise, if my ace and number 2 guys are just slightly above average, I might want strict order, whereas if they're studs I'd want highest rested starter to get them the most starts possible.

SteveP · 06-08-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by EnderCN

Ahh I was playing a new 2009 Major League Game and you are correct it just reverted back to highest rested which must be the issue. That is quite annoying.

Um, I think you've may have caught something that's been missed about that game. I'm virtually sure that can't be what's intended. It should be strict order for that game. I'll report that and see if we can get it looked at.

jarmenia · 06-08-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

I wish the AI would be a little, I dunno, intelligent, and make it's choice based on the circumstances. If the fifth starter is a borderline 4th starter, then maybe strict order is called for. If the fifth starter is a borderline major league pitcher, then I would want highest rested starter to limit his starts. Likewise, if my ace and number 2 guys are just slightly above average, I might want strict order, whereas if they're studs I'd want highest rested starter to get them the most starts possible.

I'm confused, other than right before the playoffs, why would you ever want your fifth starter to pitch if your ace is available. He's your ace because he's your best pitcher, even if he's only slightly better he's still better.

OldFatGuy · 06-08-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jarmenia

I'm confused, other than right before the playoffs, why would you ever want your fifth starter to pitch if your ace is available. He's your ace because he's your best pitcher, even if he's only slightly better he's still better.

OK, it should always be highest rested starter then.

tysok · 06-08-2009, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jarmenia

I'm confused, other than right before the playoffs, why would you ever want your fifth starter to pitch if your ace is available. He's your ace because he's your best pitcher, even if he's only slightly better he's still better.

I've been confused for months.
This discussion, or something like it, came up in beta while back. I had that same argument, and someone said (to the effect) that strict order would skip your number 5 if the ace was ready.... but that doesn't sound like strict order to me.

I went digging through stats at that time and found that it's not 100% either way these days. Some teams always throw their 5th starter no matter what, and some teams throw their 1-4 out every 5th day and fill in when 1-4 hasn't had full rest.

Maybe strict order is meant for the 1-4 guys only? So you wouldn't end up with a weeks rotation looking like 1,3,2,5,4 or something? Perhaps for a league that plays 4 games a week?
Once I heard strict order may not = any definition I would come up with for 'strict order' I stopped reading the thread since I didn't understand the language.

Spritze · 06-08-2009, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by johndoe8865

That is quite annoying and I think should be considered a bug.

It is. Has been logged. I believe it may be adjusted so you can choose the kind of default order you want in game setup. Not right now of course but in its time.

Killing Time · 06-08-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by johndoe8865

That is quite annoying and I think should be considered a bug. Hopefully we could get a fix for that so that default for MLB is Strict 5 man?

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A fix is needed.

Killing Time · 06-08-2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jarmenia

I'm confused, other than right before the playoffs, why would you ever want your fifth starter to pitch if your ace is available. He's your ace because he's your best pitcher, even if he's only slightly better he's still better.

Maybe you have five starters who are all roughly the same. I had that once, five three-stars, and there wasn't a lot of difference between them. In the new game with the new pitching model you'd probably never see that again though.

06-08-2009, 02:36 PM	#1 (permalink)
EnderCN Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 19	Strict order not so strict? I set my league to strict order, 5 man rotation and did a simulation and 33 starters had 35+ starts. Last year only CC Sabathia had 35 and only 12 pitchers had 34. The year before only Willis had 35. I know it seems kind of minor but these are the types of little glitches that bother me the most in a simulation because it is a league wide issue. It also throws the IP off a bit and leads to way too many 200 IP pitchers because a lot of guys are getting 2 extra starts a year. Maybe not anything that can be looked at for this version but figured I'd bring it up unless I'm missing some setting that could fix this? I'm also a little curious why this isn't the default setting, I ran a simulation on use most rested and my best starters all sat at 37/38 starts and my 4th/5th starters had under 20. I went and manually changed the setting for all teams but seems like it should have been on by default when starting a new 2009 style league. Major Leagues 35 - 1 34 - 12 33 - 21 32 - 14 OOTP season 37 - 1 (John Lannan of all people) 36 - 9 35 - 23 34 - 11 33 - 10 32 - 10 Last edited by EnderCN; 06-08-2009 at 02:38 PM.

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OldFatGuy All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern Va., Loudoun County Posts: 1,321 Thanked 61x in 41 posts	I wish the AI would be a little, I dunno, intelligent, and make it's choice based on the circumstances. If the fifth starter is a borderline 4th starter, then maybe strict order is called for. If the fifth starter is a borderline major league pitcher, then I would want highest rested starter to limit his starts. Likewise, if my ace and number 2 guys are just slightly above average, I might want strict order, whereas if they're studs I'd want highest rested starter to get them the most starts possible. __________________ How can you wheel that lumber tomorrow if you don't pound that Budweiser tonight? - Frank Howard

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06-08-2009, 03:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
SteveP Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,768 Thanked 260x in 197 posts	I assume you are playing fictional. AFAIK, if you play historical the default setting the AI uses for all its teams is "strict order" but in fictional the default setting the AI uses is "best rested." I have no idea why it's done this way. I also know that there is nothing you can do about it. You can go in as commissioner and change it for an AI managed team, but the AI will change it right back. One possible way that the underlying problem may improve is if Markus does in fact improve how injuries are distributed between batters and pitchers. Other than that, I am not sure what can be done to program the AI to be more "creative" or flexible in how it handles rotations.

06-08-2009, 04:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
EnderCN Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 19	Ahh I was playing a new 2009 Major League Game and you are correct it just reverted back to highest rested which must be the issue. That is quite annoying.