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Old 06-08-2009, 06:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Assignment of win to starter?

The situation is this: in playing a spring training game, my starting pitcher completed 3 innings, allowing 2 runs (both earned). After 3 innings of play I led 5-2. My next pitcher pitched 2 innings and allowed 0 runs, after which I was up 14-2. My third pitcher pitched the final four innings and allowed 2 runs (1 earned) for a final score of 19-4. What I am curious about is this: my starting pitcher, having left the game with a lead, was awarded the win; my second pitcher, a hold; my last, a save (for 3+ innings of work). But since my starter pitched less than 5 innings, shouldn't the win go to the reliever? Is this a bug?
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regular season yes, spring training no.

not a bug.
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On a related question, what does the game consider to be "pitching effectively" for the purposes of a save?
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I was wondering about that "effectively" thing too... and Sweed, I take you to mean that the rules for win assignment are different in spring training because pitchers don't pitch as long, or similar rationale?
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On a related question, what does the game consider to be "pitching effectively" for the purposes of a save?
"Effectively" has been removed from the criteria. You just have to pitch the final 3 innings regardless of performance (if your team wins).
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I was wondering about that "effectively" thing too... and Sweed, I take you to mean that the rules for win assignment are different in spring training because pitchers don't pitch as long, or similar rationale?
Yes. In spring training, if you're the pitcher when the game-winning run scores, you get the win. They do that because starters (especially at the beginning of ST) rarely go the five innings required in the rule book.
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"Effectively" has been removed from the criteria. You just have to pitch the final 3 innings regardless of performance (if your team wins).
But has it been removed from OOTP?
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But has it been removed from OOTP?
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The situation is this: in playing a spring training game, my starting pitcher completed 3 innings, allowing 2 runs (both earned). After 3 innings of play I led 5-2. My next pitcher pitched 2 innings and allowed 0 runs, after which I was up 14-2. My third pitcher pitched the final four innings and allowed 2 runs (1 earned) for a final score of 19-4. What I am curious about is this: my starting pitcher, having left the game with a lead, was awarded the win; my second pitcher, a hold; my last, a save (for 3+ innings of work). But since my starter pitched less than 5 innings, shouldn't the win go to the reliever? Is this a bug?

I thinks this is the rule that applies:

"In some non championship games (such as the Major League All Star Game) it is provided in advance that each pitcher shall work a stated number of innings, usually two or three. In such games, it is customary to credit the victory to the pitcher of record, whether starter or reliever, when the winning team takes a lead which it maintains to the end of the game, unless such pitcher is knocked out after the winning team has a commanding lead, and the scorer believes a subsequent pitcher is entitled to credit for the victory."
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