Setting Up A Historical Promotion/Relegation League

[pbar25]

I've been attempting to run a Historical promotion & regulation league.
There are countless ways to try and do this, but I have yet to find a satisfactory way that is 'just right'. Wondering if anybody had ideas or saw something I'm missing.

My goal is to start in 1903 when the first World Series occurred, but change history by taking the actual MLB and placing it into a Promotion/Relegation setting with no fictional players to be found anywhere.

Options I see available:

1) Create two new 1903 Historical Leagues. Allow one league to be the provider of historical players, delete all of the players in the other league and have a fictional feeder league that provides limited & horrible fictional players that will never take part in history.

In addition to the limited fictional players, this scenario has a major drawback. Actual players cannot be assigned to their actual teams within both leagues, only one, since they are seperate leagues. While you can recalc in both leagues, you can't have both provide players because then there will be duplicates. So in this scenario, actual history cannot be achieved. Or can it, and I'm not thinking of something?

2) Create one new 1903 Historical League.
Divide the league into upper & lower divisions. Promote & Relegate within the same League each season. This is an outstanding option, because you are able to watch both leagues at the same time when simming.

The fatal flaw in this scenario, is the playoff system.
At the moment you can only make custom playoff scenarios for EVEN numbers of teams. You can't pick and chose who the champion should be. If I could pick 1 team to qualify for the playoffs under custom playoffs, then the promtion/relegation universe would be unlocked. At the moment if you select that, the game goes into an infinite loop waiting for the playoffs to end and never declares a winner.

If you then disable the playoffs - the promotion/relegation format cannot work in the same league...because if the lower division has a better record then they are crowned the champion.



In order to have all historical players -- all 16 teams need to be within the same League -- and act as merely sub-leagues to eachother (exact MLB setup, just change the league names). It's the only way Historical players can be assigned to their actual teams and not alter a database within a promotion/relegation setting. But it appears impossible to do, because you can't pick a specific division to be the 'championship' division.

Edit: might want to move this to historical, meant to post it there, sorry

[Rondell Tate]

You could consider the final playoff the baseball equivalent of the FA Cup.

[pbar25]

Originally Posted by Rondell Tate

You could consider the final playoff the baseball equivalent of the FA Cup.

yeah, but I would like the history to reflect the correct champions and be able to use all aspects of the game. That would goof up all history reports from players to teams. And to actually see who won each season, you'd have to go into the history of each season.

If within the custom playoff area we were able to select one league champion instead of requiring EVEN number of playoff teams, it's all solved. Right now we can select one champion, but the team is never crowned and the game goes into an indefinite loop.

[Le Grande Orange]

I'm afraid you're going to have accept some compromises as the game does not officially support promotion/relegation as a specific feature. So, until it does, workarounds are the only route, and those of course involve some compromises.

[pbar25]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

I'm afraid you're going to have accept some compromises as the game does not officially support promotion/relegation as a specific feature. So, until it does, workarounds are the only route, and those of course involve some compromises.

Fair enough, I just figured it can't be that much to be able to crown one champion instead of two when setting up custom playoffs. (Since we can do it now, but the game just runs into an infinite loop.)

Promotion/Relegation is the most popular sports format within the entire world. In a game that supports user configurations, I keep waiting for it to be added.

Yes, I know it's not part of any known baseball leagues. But I can setup a 300 team league that only has teams from Boston, and there aren't any of those either.

[Antonin]

Originally Posted by pbar25

...Promotion/Relegation is the most popular sports format within the entire world. In a game that supports user configurations, I keep waiting for it to be added.

I agree. It's an option that would make solo games much more interesting.

For what it's worth, in OOTP9 I was experimenting with a simple pro/rel system that involved 2 separate leagues. At the end of the season I just manually promoted and relegated where appropriate.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by pbar25

Promotion/Relegation is the most popular sports format within the entire world.

But it's not used in baseball (well, outside of the Italian baseball leagues).

Personally, I'd rather see all of the interesting options from baseball's past implemented first, and then move on to incorporating the interesting ideas from non-baseball leagues around the world.

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

But it's not used in baseball (well, outside of the Italian baseball leagues).

But it is used somewhere, so it should be in OOTP!!

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Personally, I'd rather see all of the interesting options from baseball's past implemented first, and then move on to incorporating the interesting ideas from non-baseball leagues around the world.

Well, yeah...