Hope everyone takes time to exp the PbP text

SteveP · 06-09-2009, 06:52 PM

I had nothing to do with all the work that went into the PbP text, so I can talk. I've been taking the time to watch some games with pause turned off (which means pitch-by-pitch). I've got the speed custom set to just between normal and fast, which I can keep up with (barely) and the game still moves along pretty fast.

I think every gamer ought to check this out at some point. It is really excellent work, and will be even better after the patch, I'm sure. Really immersive, and creative, with a lot of personality.

Kitsune · 06-09-2009, 06:55 PM

I did my home opening batter by batter .... took about 45 minutes and 17 innings but was a very entertaining game with play by play text, and very suspenseful.

ComputerFreek129 · 06-10-2009, 03:52 AM

To me, the pbp is definitely a lot more bland than before. I feel absolutely no suspense at all on the majority of the plays, and every description feels the same.

Someone commented before that this was maybe more realistic and less dramatic than OOTP6, which is my only basis for refrence. It may be true, but this is the pbp description - it has no effect on the outcome and thus realism. It would have been nice to have a full pbp that retained the old text and an "abbreviated" pbp that displayed the OOTPX style pbp.

Russ · 06-10-2009, 03:54 AM

I think the PbP is close to perfect.

tysok · 06-10-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ComputerFreek129

To me, the pbp is definitely a lot more bland than before. I feel absolutely no suspense at all on the majority of the plays, and every description feels the same.

Someone commented before that this was maybe more realistic and less dramatic than OOTP6, which is my only basis for refrence. It may be true, but this is the pbp description - it has no effect on the outcome and thus realism. It would have been nice to have a full pbp that retained the old text and an "abbreviated" pbp that displayed the OOTPX style pbp.

I never had 6, but from the demo I didn't think it was much different than 5.
In OOTP5, and the demo of 6, I played out every game - and got to the point where I read the first few words of the play and skipped the rest... it was entirely predictable and reading the same words again would bore me.

With a few exceptions, that when brought to our attention we try and alter, that's not possible in OOTPX. You see a ball "laced to second" it could be a routine 4-3, it could be a diving stop 4-3, a diving stop but just misses getting the out, an error, or it could simply miss everyone and roll into the outfield for a single.

I'm not perfect, I may be missing where it was unpredictable in 5 and 6, but it didn't seem so to me.
Doesn't mean 10 is perfect either.

It is more "realistic" and that does lean towards the 'bland' side, but it's unpredictably bland.

Dave1408 · 06-10-2009, 11:07 AM

As someone who plays out every single one of his team's games I can honestly say that the improved PBP has made my purchase worth it. I feel immersed in the game as I read it and the different possibilities honestly seem to be endless. It doesn't seem predictable to me whatsoever and I am continually surprised by the results of plays during a game.

Killing Time · 06-10-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Russ

I think the PbP is close to perfect.

It is certainly much improved and an asset to the game, but perfect is a long way away.

mdc123 · 06-10-2009, 11:30 AM

I used to be an active OOTP'er from version 4 to version 7 (which I loved). One of my fondest non OOTP memories was playing "Broadcast Blast with Ernie Harwell" which came on floppies and had the famous announcer calling the game. That's a long-winded way of saying that I really rely on a good play-by-play for immersions sake.

I'm interested in all this PBP talk. I have yet to purchase v10. Is there a simple way for a poster to post a few innings worth of bpb in v10?

moi auci · 06-10-2009, 11:40 AM

Outside of any league play, I play out all games. That's what baseball is to me: the gradual progression of pitcher vs. batter, the ever-changing flux of "boredom" and high tension. It ain't football or basketball, or any of the other mile-a-minute games, and that's fine by me. There's more than enough instant gratification in modern life, and I'm happy that my favorite sport resolutely bucks that trend. With all that in mind, I find this year's pbp (for the most part) excellently varied between the sublime and the mundane, the process and result. If every play were super dramatic, I'd hate it, cause that ain't baseball.

"Perfection is a lie of the mind" -- Anonymous

Eugene Church · 06-10-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ComputerFreek129

To me, the pbp is definitely a lot more bland than before. I feel absolutely no suspense at all on the majority of the plays, and every description feels the same.

Someone commented before that this was maybe more realistic and less dramatic than OOTP6, which is my only basis for refrence. It may be true, but this is the pbp description - it has no effect on the outcome and thus realism. It would have been nice to have a full pbp that retained the old text and an "abbreviated" pbp that displayed the OOTPX style pbp.

I loved Version 6.51 and its simplicity, but it is pale compared to recent versions of the game.

I will grant you version 6 was more exciting - there would be 10 great plays a game - which is totally unrealistic. My experience watching baseball games for 59 years is that great plays occur 1-3 times a game.

Version 6 did not have the variety in the PBP that OOTP10 has. It also had far fewer play results than recent versions.

And the News is far, far superior to the News in Version 6.
Just one example: 5 Shutouts stories in Version 6.51... and almost 200 in OOTP10.
Absolutely no comparison.

And so is the PBP... it is far, far superior in OOTP10.
Absolutely no comparison.

Eugene Church · 06-10-2009, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by moi auci

Outside of any league play, I play out all games. That's what baseball is to me: the gradual progression of pitcher vs. batter, the ever-changing flux of "boredom" and high tension. It ain't football or basketball, or any of the other mile-a-minute games, and that's fine by me. There's more than enough instant gratification in modern life, and I'm happy that my favorite sport resolutely bucks that trend. With all that in mind, I find this year's pbp (for the most part) excellently varied between the sublime and the mundane, the process and result. If every play were super dramatic, I'd hate it, cause that ain't baseball.

"Perfection is a lie of the mind" -- Anonymous

Excellent comments.

Eugene Church · 06-10-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Killing Time

It is certainly much improved and an asset to the game, but perfect is a long way away.

Agree with "much improved"... don't agree that "perfect is a long way away".

.

It ain't perfect... but it is pretty darn good... and much improved over 6.51 and 2006.

It will never be perfect, but it rates an 8 on a 10 scale IMO.
And progress is being made on each new version.

Raidergoo · 06-10-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mdc123

I used to be an active OOTP'er from version 4 to version 7 (which I loved). One of my fondest non OOTP memories was playing "Broadcast Blast with Ernie Harwell" which came on floppies and had the famous announcer calling the game. That's a long-winded way of saying that I really rely on a good play-by-play for immersions sake.

I'm interested in all this PBP talk. I have yet to purchase v10. Is there a simple way for a poster to post a few innings worth of bpb in v10?

Attached is a zip file of 1 days worth of play by play in a test version of my Valley Baseball League.

Keep in mind that this was Opening Day, and that there are 6 games in this single file. Most games were close, but Rockbridge beat Luray 18-1 in one of them.

I have included one at bat from one game below:

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Oliver is coming up next...
he's 1 for 2 with one double and one RBI.
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Harrisonburg has runners at the corners...
with two out.
Walton stares in for the sign...
kicks and deals...
swing by Oliver...
and he misses a sinker.
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The one-strike pitch...
in there -- two pitches, two strikes.
Oliver steps back...
and shakes his head.
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Walton fires to first...
safe!
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Walton gets the sign...
the delivery...
ball one.
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Walton from the stretch...
the 1-2 pitch...
swung on and missed!
Oliver fans on a changeup...
and leaves two runners on.
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Bryan Walton has fanned 6 this game.
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The top of the 4th is over...
No runs, one hit, no errors...
two runners left on.
The Angelfish lead this game, 3-2.
-----------
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rasnell · 06-10-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Eugene Church

...My experience watching baseball games for 59 years is that great plays occur 1-3 times a game...

SportsCenter can't even come up with 10 great plays per day in all of baseball; that's why they keep showing hockey and soccer mixed in on the Top 10.

Eugene Church · 06-10-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Killing Time

It is certainly much improved and an asset to the game, but perfect is a long way away.

Markus could really improve the PBP if he would make a concerted effort to work on the Hard-Coded PBP that the Beta Text Team never gets access to.
They could really improve the PBP if Markus would spend a few days working directly and closely with them on it.

Eugene Church · 06-10-2009, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rasnell

SportsCenter can't even come up with 10 great plays per day in all of baseball; that's why they keep showing hockey and soccer mixed in on the Top 10.

That's true.

Last night they featured a not-so-difficult grounder as one of the web gems.
I thought to myself at the time that they were really hard up for a web gem and used an almost-routine ground out that took a very high hop.

mdc123 · 06-10-2009, 12:17 PM

Thanks Raidergoo. You rule!

pstrickert · 06-10-2009, 02:22 PM

The plan for Patch #2 is to include some ballpark-specific and player-specific PbP. It'll be only the beginning, though (due to time constraints), and a work-in-progress. But it'll surely add a bit more color here and there to the PbP.

Cryomaniac · 06-10-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pstrickert

The plan for Patch #2 is to include some ballpark-specific and player-specific PbP. It'll be only the beginning, though (due to time constraints), and a work-in-progress. But it'll surely add a bit more color here and there to the PbP.

=0 Will be cool to see, say, references to the Green Monster at Fenway.

06-09-2009, 06:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
SteveP Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,776 Thanks: 6 Thanked 261x in 198 posts	Hope everyone takes time to exp the PbP text I had nothing to do with all the work that went into the PbP text, so I can talk. I've been taking the time to watch some games with pause turned off (which means pitch-by-pitch). I've got the speed custom set to just between normal and fast, which I can keep up with (barely) and the game still moves along pretty fast. I think every gamer ought to check this out at some point. It is really excellent work, and will be even better after the patch, I'm sure. Really immersive, and creative, with a lot of personality.

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ComputerFreek129 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Not seeing it... To me, the pbp is definitely a lot more bland than before. I feel absolutely no suspense at all on the majority of the plays, and every description feels the same. Someone commented before that this was maybe more realistic and less dramatic than OOTP6, which is my only basis for refrence. It may be true, but this is the pbp description - it has no effect on the outcome and thus realism. It would have been nice to have a full pbp that retained the old text and an "abbreviated" pbp that displayed the OOTPX style pbp.

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Russ All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Essex HON! Posts: 1,915 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 34 Thanked 48x in 42 posts Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I think the PbP is close to perfect. __________________ If you don't love Russ, you don't love America. This post brought to you by Carl's Jr.

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mdc123 Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Pbp I used to be an active OOTP'er from version 4 to version 7 (which I loved). One of my fondest non OOTP memories was playing "Broadcast Blast with Ernie Harwell" which came on floppies and had the famous announcer calling the game. That's a long-winded way of saying that I really rely on a good play-by-play for immersions sake. I'm interested in all this PBP talk. I have yet to purchase v10. Is there a simple way for a poster to post a few innings worth of bpb in v10?

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06-09-2009, 06:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
Kitsune Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 41 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4x in 2 posts	I did my home opening batter by batter .... took about 45 minutes and 17 innings but was a very entertaining game with play by play text, and very suspenseful.

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Dave1408 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 161 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3x in 3 posts	As someone who plays out every single one of his team's games I can honestly say that the improved PBP has made my purchase worth it. I feel immersed in the game as I read it and the different possibilities honestly seem to be endless. It doesn't seem predictable to me whatsoever and I am continually surprised by the results of plays during a game.

06-10-2009, 11:40 AM	#9 (permalink)
moi auci Bat Boy Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Outside of any league play, I play out all games. That's what baseball is to me: the gradual progression of pitcher vs. batter, the ever-changing flux of "boredom" and high tension. It ain't football or basketball, or any of the other mile-a-minute games, and that's fine by me. There's more than enough instant gratification in modern life, and I'm happy that my favorite sport resolutely bucks that trend. With all that in mind, I find this year's pbp (for the most part) excellently varied between the sublime and the mundane, the process and result. If every play were super dramatic, I'd hate it, cause that ain't baseball. "Perfection is a lie of the mind" -- Anonymous

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mdc123 Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0x in 0 posts	Thanks Raidergoo. You rule!

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pstrickert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,889 Thanks: 331 Thanked 385x in 223 posts	The plan for Patch #2 is to include some ballpark-specific and player-specific PbP. It'll be only the beginning, though (due to time constraints), and a work-in-progress. But it'll surely add a bit more color here and there to the PbP.