Blown Save?

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by tysok

If he couldn't have gotten a save, he can't get a blown save.

In order to get a blown save someone else would have HAD to have been able to get the win, and in this case no one else but him COULD have gotten the win.

In a case like this the win can go to whoever the scorekeeper feels deserves the win.

So if Clyde starts and pitches 3 innings before getting hurt, Moss pitches 2 innings, Popeye pitches 2 innings and Starchski pitches 2 innings. The team wins 20-0 winning every inning. Any of the 3 RP's could get credited the win.

Therefore in the case this topic is about since RP#1 isnt guaranteed to be credited the win(even if the hold they lead throughout) WHEN HE COMES IN THE GAME so why cant he blow a save?

[tysok]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

In a case like this the win can go to whoever the scorekeeper feels deserves the win.

So if Clyde starts and pitches 3 innings before getting hurt, Moss pitches 2 innings, Popeye pitches 2 innings and Starchski pitches 2 innings. The team wins 20-0 winning every inning. Any of the 3 RP's could get credited the win.

Therefore in the case this topic is about since RP#1 isnt guaranteed to be credited the win(even if the hold they lead throughout) WHEN HE COMES IN THE GAME so why cant he blow a save?

Because there is no save. In order for there to be a save opportunity someone else has to be able to be credited with a win.

The first pitcher couldn't have gotten the win, and therefore there is no save opportunity for the second pitcher. You can't blow what you don't have (although my wife often blows money we don't have).

If, in your example, Moss had left the game with a 1 run lead, and Popeye gave up the lead then Popeye could get a blown save. Since Moss would have been eligible for the win, Popeye could blow a save opp. If Moss had blown the lead he can't get a blown save since Clyde was not eligible for the win in the first place.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by tysok

Because there is no save. In order for there to be a save opportunity someone else has to be able to be credited with a win.

The first pitcher couldn't have gotten the win, and therefore there is no save opportunity for the second pitcher. You can't blow what you don't have (although my wife often blows money we don't have).

If, in your example, Moss had left the game with a 1 run lead, and Popeye gave up the lead then Popeye could get a blown save. Since Moss would have been eligible for the win, Popeye could blow a save opp. If Moss had blown the lead he can't get a blown save since Clyde was not eligible for the win in the first place.

Correct in the last paragraph. For consistency purposes however IMO it would still need to be a blown save in the thread example even though you are correct that only 1 pitcher would have been eligible for the win meaning he couldnt have gotten a save.

[tysok]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Correct in the last paragraph. For consistency purposes however IMO it would still need to be a blown save in the thread example even though you are correct that only 1 pitcher would have been eligible for the win meaning he couldnt have gotten a save.

Well, there's two different types of consistency there. That would be simple consistency, or you can have consistency based on the rules.

If you're not a starter and you give up the lead then you can get a blown save, that's simple consistency.

Consistency based on the rules would be that you can't get a blown save if there isn't a save opportunity, meaning someone else has to be eligible to get a win before you could get a blown save.

Since a blown save isn't tracked by MLB (so not clearly defined), and it really isn't that interesting of a stat to care about... I suppose I really don't care. However, *I* would choose consistency based on the rules.